MMOFPS Wishlist

[Dyscord]

Aside from balance issues, battleframes, and a general lack of any sort of development post release, Planetsides biggest problem was its persistancy. The game set out one method of fighting, and that was it. A MMO FPS needs a certain level of persistancy that goes beyond fighting tooth and nail to take a continent only to have it capped out from under you while you sleep. A game needs skirmish areas, battlefields, and home bases.

Skirmish areas are just the standard arenas for fighting. No real persistance, just an easy way to get into a fight fast. Battlefields should require more of a team element. Going into a battlefield should put you under the command of someone, etc. Capturing a battlefield should grant some nice bonuses to your side. Home bases should be the end game. The serious coordinated assaults by guilds and other serious players. Destruction of a home base should radically alter the game world for a week or so, such as forcing the losers to go guerilla.

Planetside just got so ridiculously old because the game never changed. You fought in the same areas over the same bases, over and over and over, whatever you did would instantly be undone, etc. I can play a normal FPS if I wanted that level of persistance.

[Sneaky]

I am one of those that would take Planetside and improve upon that.

- Longer engagement ranges to allow a far wider spread of weapons and their statistics.
- No Cone of Fire (or only very little, depending on the weapon, check Red Orchestra), but rather recoil affecting the aim directly
- ballistics even for small weapons
- Vehicles, but not as pwnmachines as in PS. They should be very vulnerable with the right weapons, though those weapons should require rather specialized infantry-loadouts, if they are fired from some distance. Magnetic mines etc that get attached to the vehicle directly should be usable by almost anoyne and not take up much room. Vehicles should have very specific roles and not be able to navigate through all or even most of the terrain, but be confined to roads and fields besides it, some areas around towns, etc, depending on the general landscape in the area.
- Infantry should be king in most situations with vehicles as support
- more buildings
- more different buildings
- more points of interest, strategic targets
- a personal resource system with that you buy most vehicles and some equiptment
- alot more varried terrain, more objects like walls, houses, open fields, grassy areas, trenches, "real" forrests
- some penetratable cover, depending on weapontype
- more specialized characters, dont allow people to spec that broad to have almost all weapontypes with them. Someone with heavy AV spec should not also carry a chaingun on their back.
- Weight limitations
- no cloakers
- no name tags (unless very close up) to make it harder to discern friend from foe
- squad based "enemy spotted" system like in BF2+
- spawnpoints rather far away from capable objectives (3 minute run+)
- CP require multiple persons to cap (see i.e. Red Orchestra)
- global victory conditions / round reset (see Battleground Europe)
- If you want to give it a strat aspect offer the players to elect their side's leadership for a round and allow them to channel resources, plot plans, etc.
- sidelock for 1 round
- all accounts from one IP have to play on the same side.

and so much more :P

[simeon]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

MMO-FPS's will for the most part fail simply because getting any kind of reasonable tick rate would murder most servers. And what's the point of an MMO-FPS if you end up with auto-targeting and no hit boxes anyways. The alternative is constantly having to aim either 5 feet in front or behind your target and pray due to huge de-syncing issues.

Brainstorming concepts, features and whatnot is kinda pointless when the basic server functionality simply isn't there yet.

Weird, Planetside works fine for me and I don't pray.

[brekk]

Yeah for anyone saying the current hardware is not capable of a large scale MMOFPS... Planetside did it 4 years ago. (Wow! yesterday was 4 year anniversary of PS)

It sucks how few people played it as the game really was ahead of its time.

And yes I quit when BFG's came out. FUCK MECHS.

[Emrok]

mmofps? ok...

instaces;
5vs5
10vs10
20vs20
40vs40
50vs50

open world pvp exists in level 0 sectors, for $. hold this position = x $ every minute

you have to buy gear.

think counterstrike style, but there are medics who can repair you. weapons are not bullets, but rather lasers of some sort, and you are not `killed` when you die but your armor is taken down to 0 and can no longer function, and you get teleported to a starting/graveyard point where you must regenerate for x time, plug into an outlet, heal up.

you can have squads of up to 50 people.

pve content exists, take over x building, x area

classes

up close
demolition unit; able to build custom bombs, think like... their leveling system includes being able to use different types of fuses/exploding material/custom circuits etc etc... can make flash bangs/smoke grenades

stealty character, unable to detect from long range/med range; as unit levels becomes harder to detect/moves faster stealthed/

med range
standard soldier; proficcient with automatic weapons/ as levels becomes more accurate
rocket soldier; self explanatory

long range
sniper; self explanatory; able to craft different kinds of camoflauge
mortar unit; diff types of shells/higher level better range/accuracy


level 1 secured zones are civilian clothing, armor/guns stored at security points/guns/armor purchased are moved to security point...

*shrug* make it happen

[Taranatar]

Originally Posted by Emrok

mmofps? ok...

instaces;
5vs5
10vs10
20vs20
40vs40
50vs50

open world pvp exists in level 0 sectors, for $. hold this position = x $ every minute

you have to buy gear.

think counterstrike style, but there are medics who can repair you. weapons are not bullets, but rather lasers of some sort, and you are not `killed` when you die but your armor is taken down to 0 and can no longer function, and you get teleported to a starting/graveyard point where you must regenerate for x time, plug into an outlet, heal up.

you can have squads of up to 50 people.

pve content exists, take over x building, x area

classes

up close
demolition unit; able to build custom bombs, think like... their leveling system includes being able to use different types of fuses/exploding material/custom circuits etc etc... can make flash bangs/smoke grenades

stealty character, unable to detect from long range/med range; as unit levels becomes harder to detect/moves faster stealthed/

med range
standard soldier; proficcient with automatic weapons/ as levels becomes more accurate
rocket soldier; self explanatory

long range
sniper; self explanatory; able to craft different kinds of camoflauge
mortar unit; diff types of shells/higher level better range/accuracy


level 1 secured zones are civilian clothing, armor/guns stored at security points/guns/armor purchased are moved to security point...

*shrug* make it happen

Planetside already had all of this, except think 150vs150vs150 instancing.


In Planetside I loved vehicles, my outfit had a group of people who were dedicated gunner/drivers of the VS magrider, with 10 competent drivers/gunners you could quickly change the tide of battle over a whole continent.

In addition, vehicles were easy as hell to destroy with the right support, BFG's were cake once you figured out their weak spots or at least could get your hands on a decimator. They did turn the game into a new level of suck, and drive most of the infantry game within or just outside bases, but they added a new level of Lancer fun.

[brekk]

goddamn... maybe i should just resub to PS.

[Emrok]

...planetside has everything i wanted in a mmofps? i think im gonna have to check it out... why didnt planetside get big if it had everything?

[Sneaky]

It doesn't. Taranatar must have missed like 80% of your post.

[Zerai]

Planetside had it all..without the persistant nature and no real point of territory control. So you fought for the sake of fighting..which is good and all...but it meant everyone flooded one battle every time because they only wanted to fight. So it crumpled.

[simeon]

IMO, instant action == the stupidest concept ever for an MMO.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by brekk

Yeah for anyone saying the current hardware is not capable of a large scale MMOFPS... Planetside did it 4 years ago. (Wow! yesterday was 4 year anniversary of PS)

It sucks how few people played it as the game really was ahead of its time.

Planetside ahead of it's time? You do realize that 99% of the shit in planetside had been done years before it was even a twinkle in some developers eye? All Planetside did was get rid of everything that made FPS's fun in exchange for the ability to slaughter 50 people attempting to zerg your base. Which I admit is fun for a few hours, but definitely nothing worth paying for, especially when you can get roughly the same joy playing a Deathmach CS public-server for free.

PS was a ridiculously simple game.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

PS was a ridiculously simple game.

It's true. But the basics were there. As in if you added meaningful territory control, proper purpose to claiming territory, and put the rest of PS on top of it with some tweaking, it'd be awesome.

[Mist]

Planetside sucked because there was nothing to do besides fight. There was no economy or real ownership of anything.

Also the same 5 base types spread over the entire world was kind of dumb. Every base was essentially the same as every other. Each continent should have had its own base designs, or even better every base should have been unique.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Mist

Also the same 5 base types spread over the entire world was kind of dumb. Every base was essentially the same as every other. Each continent should have had its own base designs, or even better every base should have been unique.

I completely agree with this. I always thought their should have been more urban sprawl areas versus just little bases. Obviously such areas would require something to suppress Air dominance, but it could be done.

For anyone who went down there. The cave fighting in the expansion is the most fun I have EVER head in any FPS barnone. On either my main who was Heavy Assault / Sniper rifle, or my alt who was a Cloaker the caves added so much entertainment and that could be with as little as 10v10v10.

When a cave got pop locked it was just massive carnage/chaos and so much fun.