[WoW] So, when are hunters gonna be fixed?

[Old Man Potter]

The lack of mana regen for hunters is a big problem. One solution would be to have Viper Sting transfer mana from the target to the hunter instead of just draining it from the target like it currently does. That mana has to be going somewhere!

This would give hunters an actual reason to use Viper Sting more then they currently do by providing them with a limited means (just caster targets) to regenerate some mana.

[Camerous]

Ah did I hit a sore spot? Notice not a single person has supported what you 2 are crying about yet. But that's ok.. you keep whining. :-)

[Sean]

Not a single person? Are you blind or just plain stupid? Really, do you have some sort of mental disorder that we should be aware of?

Posts about people changing classes from Hunter to something else.
Posts from other people pointing out various problems.
Posts stating that Hunters are indeed below others in raid DPS or that you are the only one who views them as a PVP god.

You're a troll, sir, and I'm not going to feed you any longer. Go back to getting your ass kicked in BGs.

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by Sean

Not a single person? Are you blind or just plain stupid? Really, do you have some sort of mental disorder that we should be aware of?

Posts about people changing classes from Hunter to something else.
Posts from other people pointing out various problems.
Posts stating that Hunters are indeed below others in raid DPS or that you are the only one who views them as a PVP god.

You're a troll, sir, and I'm not going to feed you any longer. Go back to getting your ass kicked in BGs.

Perhaps you need to reread the thread? Show me a SINGLE post that agreed with you 2 that your damage is in need of buffing. Don't worry I'll wait....

BUZZZ

Been over 5 mins and still no example where a single person has agrees with you.

What I find extremely funny is everyone makes fun of Makata for posting stupid shit like this about hunters now here you 2 are doing. *shakes head* I guess we can see where he gets some of his dumb ideas from now.

[WarderX]

I was half joking earlier. My hunter is 70 and I do play him often, although I generally prefer playing my priest nowadays, but I would go back to hunter full time if the only fixed a few things.

The fun thing is that I don't have to worry about gearing him up. Oh no, that one hunter item that drops a week slipped through my fingers, now i'm only 99.5% as well geared as the guy who got it.

And by "a few things" to fix, I basically mean increase damage output about 15%. That isn't even asking that much compared to how things used to be. Are people actually complaining about shot rotations? Unless you're sitting around 300+ms ping, they are no more difficult than ever. And hey, if you miss a shot, no big deal! You'll have plenty of time to make up sit around autoshotting waiting for mana to regen.

PS don't even bother replying about how a 15% dps increase would be game breaking or whatever. No one important is listening anyway and I'm not sure why I even said it.

[Rhuma]

How can hunters be fixed?

What is the end goal you seek to be "balanced?"

You bring up mana problems, whats the end objective? No more mana poblems? or maybe just not as bad mana problems...

right...

You want more dps? One day hunters could get an across the board 20 dps upgrade it would have no noticable impact on ANYTHING, you won't be able to accomplish 1 fucking thing more, other than maybe beating a mage on dps meters (which should never happen) or maybe you want to be 80% behind mages.

Either way, hunters arent getting shit and looking at hunters in raid scenarios is down right fucking silly. There are classes with alot bigger problems than THE fastest leveling class that has more survivability and damage than any other class in WoW WITH the best pets.

You have more than any other class in wow, yet you post this QQ shit that belongs on the wow forums.

[chu]

We only run with 1 hunter so I can't say much and he never gets a shadow priest but he's usually at ~80%+ of the damage. of the top classes (rogues/mages/locks). With a shadow priest would he be competative? This is on just about every fight up to and including leo.

[WarderX]

lol wtf ban these trolls

[Leadsalad]

Originally Posted by Camerous

Been over 5 mins and still no example where a single person has agrees with you.

Originally Posted by steamrice

hunters are essentially playing a ddr mini game with their keyboard. haste changes the speed they have to mash those buttons in the right order.

loss of dps are results of .1 sec of lag or unable to flawlessly press your buttons with extreme accuracy.

oh yea and we do the least amount of damage of all dps classes who don't have to put up with this shot rotation crap.

Originally Posted by Northerner

I don't like the present Hunter PvE raid mechanics at all. The shot rotations, the interactions with haste, the mana dependency... all of it pretty much pisses me off. On the occasions I do play my Hunter though (which is damn rare, I raid on my mage) I find that few of these obstacles cannot be overcome to some degree or another. The class dependence issue is one that plagues a lot of classes though actually, the big problem for Hunters is that they are dependent on the wrong classes. Their synergy is just not a good fit right now and because of that, we tend to bring two only and that includes our guild leader. Part of this still goes back to how fucked up the whole TBC mana system is though and the reliance on shadow priests as a crutch to keep the wheels spinning.

Originally Posted by Dak

think the only class that out damages a hunter is a mage isn't it? *shakes head*
tabbed back in to look at my damage meters, yep. Warlocks and rogues past them too.

Originally Posted by Teger

We're not 'right behind warlocks and mages' we're 75% of their DPS, and on fights with AOE far less than that. Probably 60% of a rogues.

I play a Hunter, or rather played a Hunter. I got tired of being a DPS liability on raids where every boss has an Enrage timer and I do 600-700 dps while chain chugging Fel Mana Potions and the Warlock is pushing 1100 dps with no mana or hp issues ever.

The class is broken, whether you want to admit it or not. And Hunters are not a power in Arenas. Entrapment is the power in Arenas and it's getting toned down a tad. Warriors (grats damage begating more damage and never having 'mana' issues) and Paladins and Shaman are the power in Arenas.

[Teger]

Originally Posted by Rhuma

How can hunters be fixed?

What is the end goal you seek to be "balanced?"

You bring up mana problems, whats the end objective? No more mana poblems? or maybe just not as bad mana problems...

right...

You want more dps? One day hunters could get an across the board 20 dps upgrade it would have no noticable impact on ANYTHING, you won't be able to accomplish 1 fucking thing more, other than maybe beating a mage on dps meters (which should never happen) or maybe you want to be 80% behind mages.

Either way, hunters arent getting shit and looking at hunters in raid scenarios is down right fucking silly. There are classes with alot bigger problems than THE fastest leveling class that has more survivability and damage than any other class in WoW WITH the best pets.

You have more than any other class in wow, yet you post this QQ shit that belongs on the wow forums.

OK this post is just retarded. I seriously doubt you even play WOW.

to chu: Shadow Priests don't increase hunter DPS per se, they increase mana longevity, which in turn can yeild a DPS increase. A hunter can 'maintain' a decent DPS rotation (which is what yours at ~80% dmg is doing) by timing everything perfectly and using an insane amount of consumables. When I mean insane, I mean AP flask, all the pots and chain chugging Fel Mana pots and Demonic Runes.

[Rhuma]

Why do you doubt it? Cause you don't even know what the fuck you want.

[Leadsalad]

Originally Posted by WarderX

And by "a few things" to fix, I basically mean increase damage output about 15%. That isn't even asking that much compared to how things used to be. Are people actually complaining about shot rotations? Unless you're sitting around 300+ms ping, they are no more difficult than ever. And hey, if you miss a shot, no big deal! You'll have plenty of time to make up sit around autoshotting waiting for mana to regen.

You clearly do not play a hunter. A single missed casted shot can be upwards of 40 dps lost. A mistimed steady delaying or severly clipping an auto can be more lost dps. Rotations are important and the difference between good hunters and great hunters. However no other class in the game has to do this math or be this precise with how they play their class on the fly at all times. Sorry, try again.

[Leadsalad]

Originally Posted by Rhuma

Why do you doubt it? Cause you don't even know what the fuck you want.

We want to not be a sack of gay couched in retarded ideals stolen from the WoW general boards because some bleeding vaginas got shot in AV one time through a mountain (that any other caster can do).

[painbringer]

Originally Posted by WarderX

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PS don't even bother replying about how a 15% dps increase would be game breaking or whatever. No one important is listening anyway and I'm not sure why I even said it.

Well Camerous is listening.. err reading.. err.. looking at the letters.


PS: Camerous i guess you think that lvl 70 hunter was actually abit overpowered since he could "handle" those lvl 62 mobs better than the lvl 62 paladin?


FACT: MY hunter went down the drain for my lvl 70 resto shaman. Note how few lvl 70 hunters are actually around still..

[Teger]

Originally Posted by Rhuma

Why do you doubt it? Cause you don't even know what the fuck you want.

I'm gonna refute your post point by point just to prove how retarded you are.

1. Yes, the objective of bringing up mana problems is a hope to eliminate/lessen them. We are the most mana intensive class and have the worst mana regen. What the fuck do you think the entire point of this thread is?!

2. Yes. I want more DPS. A 20 DPS increase across the board would be noticeable. Me doing more DPS = justifies my place in a raid, helps my guild kill more bosses... I mean if this is somehow hard for you to understand and seems 'meaningless', why the fuck do you play MMOs?

3. Warlock pets are better in every way than hunter pets.

4. We do not have the 'best survivability'.