Rumor - SOE to purchase VG?

[Zarcath]

MMO genre is still in it's baby phase. I don't know why people expect designers to keep coming out with good shit. Look at the music industry, tons of one hit wonders.

I don't think the MMO model really works out too well long term. There's always going to be changes with technology or new acceptable gameplay coming to the scene. Planning for continual development of it for more then 3-4 years seems unnatural these days. Designers should be looking to make a product thats extremely fun with a planned lifespan of 1-2 years.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Neric

Do you also hope for world peace?

Sure do.

By the way, I hear early EQ was a total flop too, Neric. Did you play it?


One of the biggest fallacies in our culture lies in believing that individuals who are a part of something new, innovative, and/or successful can continue to be so unerringly. Every creator/innovator has flops. It doesn't matter who they are. Yet when those people stumble and don't deliver, everyone acts like the bottom fell out of existence.

Folks, please manage your own expectations. People are fallible.

Brad and Co had some great ideas about game mechanics, lore, and sphere design, some elements of which are a positive in VG's current state. The implementation fell flat. Brad is the conceptual guy, not the implementation guy. And he must be a heck of a salesman.

The dialog that will haunt him and keep him from making the same mistake next time will be, "Show me how that works in terms of mechanics, Brad...".

[Zehn - Vhex]

The problem in my opinion lies with the inherent potential in Vanguard

VG never had potential. It was doomed from the get-go.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by UnchainedAcolyte

Sure do. .

Brad is a fucking tool, at best.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

I hate Brad and Vanguard. Please show me the door, as I am here simply to harass those who try to be civil

Fixed.

Fine if you disagree with me, but you're not contributing anything constructive, Zehn. Go get some sleep, some Chai Tea, or a valium.

Does he have weak points in what he has done/tried to do? Absolutely. I don't argue that. I'm an ex-Vanboy (too old to be a "boi"). However, I also lay a part of that blame on my buying pie-in-the-sky promises, especially as beta wound down.

I consider part of his success good ideas, especially early on. I also consider part of it to be luck (and SOE bailouts - If I were him I'd be embarrassed already) and right place/right time. That can be said for many.


Funny, your comments sound like those of a jilted, bitter ex-girlfriend. Better for you to move on and stop embarrassing yourself by trying to make a scene.

[kcxiv]

Pay no mind to him, he never says much of anything worth reading. I learned that a while ago. lol I am not just talking about VG either.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by UnchainedAcolyte

I'm a pseudo-intellectual who is simply regurgitating shit others have said months ago but don't have the balls to take one side or the other, instead saying "it was good but it sucked" and other stupid shit with no real depth or insight.

Fixed. OH ICE BURN.

I'd add detail and length to my posts on the VanGuard subject but I've made my position clear dozens of times. VG is a game worthy of only disdain and mockery. Spending any time being "civil" about the subject is a waste of fucking time. I just feel obliged to try to stem the flow of bullshit now and then.

However! Sleep sounds good. Thank you kind sir for your suggestion. <3 <3

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

Pay no mind to him, he never says much of anything worth reading. I learned that a while ago. lol I am not just talking about VG either.

Don't you have more "This game sucks but I'll support it anyways!!!" posts to make?

[Torrid]

Some of you guys are unnecessarily cruel.

It's not like anybody forced you to play the game. Brad gave everybody the option of another game to play. He tried to make a game that wasn't just a WoW clone at great risk. Personally, I think that should be encouraged. I don't want to be playing WoW with better graphics and different lore 10 years from now.

And the personal attacks are crossing the line, IMO.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Fixed. OH ICE BURN.

I'd add detail and length to my posts on the VanGuard subject but I've made my position clear dozens of times. VG is a game worthy of only disdain and mockery. Spending any time being "civil" about the subject is a waste of fucking time. I just feel obliged to try to stem the flow of bullshit now and then.

However! Sleep sounds good. Thank you kind sir for your suggestion. <3 <3

Anytime. Consider it my public service for the FOH boards for the day.

Oh, and sorry I can't subscribe totally to one side of an argument when I can understand and rationally discuss /both/ sides.

Guess I can't be as shallow and polarized as some would want me to be.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Torrid

Some of you guys are unnecessarily cruel.

It's not like anybody forced you to play the game. Brad gave everybody the option of another game to play. He tried to make a game that wasn't just a WoW clone at great risk. Personally, I think that should be encouraged. I don't want to be playing WoW with better graphics and different lore 10 years from now.

And the personal attacks are crossing the line, IMO.

I still enjoy the game. Despite the bugs and problems, there are elements of it that do have redeeming value, and a lot of promise, some currently realized, some on their way, short-term or long time.

I'd love to be the crotchety player who could tell stories of the first days of Vanguard and how much things have improved and moved forward and contributed to the enjoyment of the players and MMO development (and the community) in general.

I have no ill will against Vanguard, nor Sigil, nor Brad.

And I've said my peace regarding my gripes about the game/conditions in general. For me it boiled down to management issues and managing expectations.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Torrid

Some of you guys are unnecessarily cruel.

It's not like anybody forced you to play the game. Brad gave everybody the option of another game to play. He tried to make a game that wasn't just a WoW clone at great risk. Personally, I think that should be encouraged. I don't want to be playing WoW with better graphics and different lore 10 years from now.

And the personal attacks are crossing the line, IMO.

Agreed, regardless of how you feel about Vanguard, Brad gave me plenty of entertainment with EQ.

I am curious about what evidence there is for this going ahead, beyond the fact that it is highly plausible?

[Dolalin]

I think some critical introspection about what actually made EQ successful could have helped Sigil out... back in 2004. Now they've just got to work with what they have: a huge world with a few players, and what feels like a single-player game.

Remember, you can always add zones, but you can't make the zones you already have smaller.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Don't you have more "This game sucks but I'll support it anyways!!!" posts to make?

IN any of my posts where did i say the game sucks? If you find a post by me that says that then we can discuss soemthing, until the, sorry sport.

[Aegdaien]

Zehn have you ever actually contributed anything useful to this forum? Your overly sarcastic posts make you look like you're oh...about 12. Just because you HAVE the ability to post doesn't mean you should.