Rumor - SOE to purchase VG?

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Druixx

Tad, arguing that the game has potential based on subjective likes and opinions is not logic and reason. I have seen your other posts and noted your tastes. We all have different opinions and that is fine.

However, when you are fighting an uphill battle against immense popular opinion contrary to your own, that doesn't cut it which is probably why the Vanboi coalition (which dwindles by the day) has now resorted to petty and frail attacks against such things as analogies.

So let me get this straight. I make a logical argument (that you say isn't one) as to why an analogy is inapt and you tell me to argue substance.

I make a substantive argument and you tell me its only my opinion and I need to argue logic and reason.

Okay. Lets try this:

Major Premise: A company that has solid content at low levels (<30)will eventually have solid content at high levels(40+).
Minor Premise: VG has solid content at low levels.
Conclusion: VG will eventually have solid content at high levels.

Happy now?

[Druixx]

Perfect Thank you.

[Lenardo]

vanguard's problem is not the content. provided at the low levels.

vanguards current population problems stem from- crappy client at release for the majority of computers in existence.

person buys game. loads it up and the first thing they see is....crappy fps in game.. no matter how good the game IS, if the first 15 minutes is spent fustrated as you have to play with game settings due to not being able to have the game playable = noncustomer.

i like vanguard's premise, and the potential is there for the game to be extremely solid. but the forced release- along with the other in game problems it had = exactly what all of us said was going to happen.

[Kodylan]

I get ~60 fps on high quality outdoors on my work computer setup.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Druixx

Perfect Thank you.

Yeah, you know its bunk logic too ;p. Lets face it deductive logic is BS just because every day previous to today that I've walked out the door and have not been hit by blue ice falling from a plane overhead does not mean that tomorrow I will walk out the door and not be hit by blue ice falling from a plane overhead.

With respect to potential (i.e. 40+ content, raid design, lore continuce/storyline) this is where its at: if SOE puts in a great lead designer VG could be another EQ2 with lots of resubs 1-2 years out a la EoF. If a crap designer takes over VG is toast. Doesn't matter what they have now, what matters is the new boss.

[Kazgrim]

wee being another EQ2. talk about your bronze medal....more like participation award. lots of resubs = subscriber base of half of your initial peak....So we're talking 75k subscribers in 2 years if VG manages to pull an EQ2.

[Reggie]

Originally Posted by Druixx

No. If that is all that is left to counterattack then what does that say about the game? Wouldn't extolling merits be a better way to defend your game?

Extolling potential merits.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Kazgrim

wee being another EQ2. talk about your bronze medal....more like participation award. lots of resubs = subscriber base of half of your initial peak....So we're talking 75k subscribers in 2 years if VG manages to pull an EQ2.

I think you need to get your facts straight on EQ2.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

I think you need to get your facts straight on EQ2.

wheres he going wrong?

ps VG has no hope of an eq2 recovery

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

I think you need to get your facts straight on EQ2.

He isn't saying EQ2 has 75k subs, he is saying if VG pulls an EQ2 and gets a stable base of about half the initial peak then VG will be at 75k subs.

[Slick Willey]

I have nothing to add to this thread other than this beauty of a gem taken from the SV forums:

There is no way Sigil or SoE or SoE/Sigil are going to let Vanguard fail. It's simply to great of a game.

And I've never seen a CEO down in the trenches and so directly in touch with his customers as Mr McQuaid. The guy deserves a TON of credit for that.

I have complete faith that within a year this game will exceed 500k subscribers

No, this wasn't a sarcastic post. This guy was dead-freaking-serious. My personal favorite - how Mr. McQuaid is so directly in touch with his customers. I have to assume that by "in touch" he just means posting in forums, because surely nobody could be such a blind Vanboi that they think Brad is "in touch" with what MMO players want.

[Twobit Whore]

I'm sure he meant in touch in the literal sense, as in Brad was sitting there touching him in his bad place. That's about as 'in touch' with anyone Brad can get.

[Malvesti]

I never bought VG because: first, everything I heard about "core" gamers sounded like EQ redux and I didn't want to make a life investment like that again, and second, the screenshots of the graphics that I glanced at on this board looked ugly to me, especially character models. The system requirements issue didn't matter to me. VG may have lost subscriptions from the system requirements, but I kind of doubt they lost box sales.

[Kazgrim]

He isn't saying EQ2 has 75k subs, he is saying if VG pulls an EQ2 and gets a stable base of about half the initial peak then VG will be at 75k subs.

pretty much, yeah.

And I second the opinion that VG has no hope of pulling an EQ2 either. EQ2 was a pretty crappy game at release but it was mostly there, what they had was just not fun for most people. It was fixable. VG isn't even mostly there yet, and what they have isn't fun for most people. It's full of half implemented this and half implemented that, it totally lost its direction in beta. It's going to be back to the drawing board to fix it, and even if they do manage a miracle ala EQ2 and can get a stable sub base after another 2 years of fixing it, the sub base isn't going to be enough to warrant the effort put in.

[dechire]

Another large difference between the turn around for EQ2 is simply the lore and the places the expansion takes place in. Everyone wanted to see what the new Unrest looked like even if only in screenshots. Who really cares about the Vanguard world? I know i don't, the initial play at launched assured that.