Rumor - SOE to purchase VG?

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Shots

Fuck potential. I see tons of potential staring at a blank piece of paper but do I want to stare at a blank piece of paper all the time? No, I want something on the paper with colors, shapes, lines... potential can kiss my ass.

And this analogy works because a blank piece of paper is just like VG right? Because VG doesn't have colors,shapes or lines... oh wait you fail at analogies. Let me give just one specific examples of VG's potential: Kojan Humans/Half-Elves (and anyone who wants to pop over there early) has a fun and well designed Ra'Jin/Lao'Jin (bad ninja/good ninja) beginning quest line. The lore is pretty clear, the Emperor is a bad guy and likely a Ra'Jin. The quest line pretty much stops around 11/12 after you've beaten up the grandmaster. There are a few other things in the seven brothers areas but they aren't well connected except for evidence that the Ulvari are whats corrupting the Ra'Jin. Then that stops at around 15. The next thing you see are some level 44s guarding an entranceway to the Ulvari home.

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Anyway the point is this questline should have carried you almost all the way from 1-50. And by 50 you and your guild should be beating on the Emperor and his guards as a raid encounter.

Additionally it should matter when you choose between Ra'Jin/Lao'Jin -- if your guild goes Rao you should be able to beat up the level 50 Lao'Jin Yoda-equivalent.

So there is potential there for a great long term questline but it is mostly unrealized. This is one of the big complaints about VG -- lore that goes nowhere beyond your current chunk (and maybe the nearest adjacent chunk). Heck, they've even taken out some minor lore that crossed chunks -- for Tsang you used to have to do the marathon across Thestra to the Coastal Graveyard as the last step to charge up your weapons where an old Kojan ship had sunk ages ago. Now you just walk 10 feet to the stone. The former lore and quest was much better (and speaking of poor changes /mourn Jin'Ka Mothra).

[Twobit Whore]

Potential is an insult.

It means you can do better. It means you didn't try hard enough. It means you failed to live up to expectations.

Fuck, solitaire has potential.. if they would just add guns and strippers.

[Valderen]

The only reason I see for SoE to buyout Vanguard is that if they most or all of the revenue from it, it might stand to make them a profit.

I am guessing that right now having the revenue split between SoE and Sigil, doesn't give Sigil enough revenue to continue with the development of the game for very long...and is not really that profitable for SoE.

Time will tell what will happen to the game, one thing for sure it cannot get any worse...even if it ends up shutting down in 6 months.

[spentmotiff]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Fuck, solitaire has potential.. if they would just add guns and strippers.

This one line made me glad I took the chance and peaked into a VG thread today.

[RunningDog]

Originally Posted by Valderen

The only reason I see for SoE to buyout Vanguard is that if they most or all of the revenue from it, it might stand to make them a profit.

They can also get Vanguard players to try out EQ2 again. Actually it might make more sense for them to quietly run VG down as it's competition for EQ2, possibly more so than WoW is.

[Shots]

Originally Posted by tad10

And this analogy works because a blank piece of paper is just like VG right? Because VG doesn't have colors,shapes or lines... oh wait you fail at analogies.

Because you're wearing your rose colored goggles ATM and can't fucking think, I'll help you out and spell it out more. Potential means:

"Capable of being but not yet in existence"

IT DOESN'T EXIST! If you're talking about the broken shit in game right now, that's a different tune. But you're talking about wishes, dreams and hopes.

Where did I say that Vanguard was a blank piece of paper? Are you so fucking mad at everyone that doesn't talk fondly of this game that you make stupid arguments? I said "Fuck potential" not "Fuck Vanguard" yet you equate it to the same thing. WTF tad10?

[Gaereth]

Tad isn't always as sharp as he thinks he is. He does try though...so give him participation points rather than just writing him off.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Shots

Where did I say that Vanguard was a blank piece of paper? Are you so fucking mad at everyone that doesn't talk fondly of this game that you make stupid arguments? I said "Fuck potential" not "Fuck Vanguard" yet you equate it to the same thing. WTF tad10?

Dude you made the stupid analogy not me -- I just called you on it. Don't try to duck it with ad hominems.

Edit: I suppose I should add that there is both unrealized and partially realized potential. When I talk about potential with respect to VG I'm mostly talking about the latter not the former. Take the example above -- there is a nice base for a 1-50 questline that ends in raiding but it is only partially realized to level 15 or so. When you talk about a blank piece of paper you're talking about something that's not there at all. Which is why it was a bad analogy.

Now whether SOE/Sigil can fully realize this potential is a big question mark.

[Druixx]

The analogy was rather apt. Potential can mean a blank canvas that could become a masterpiece or it could mean a botched first attempt at an endeavor and there is still the ability to turn it into a success.

I disagree that this fiasco can be turned into a success and couldn't care less about Brad or his career. But this is some good drama!

Tad, why don't you and Zhen go get a room since you both get a hard-on playing Analogy Police? Your Vanboi defensive position is weak and you are only showing it further by attacking analogies instead of defending the game with substance, logic, and reason.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Druixx

Your Vanboi defensive position is weak and you are only showing it further by attacking analogies instead of defending the game with substance, logic, and reason.

Attacking an analogy is not defending the game with logic and/or reason?

[Druixx]

No. If that is all that is left to counterattack then what does that say about the game? Wouldn't extolling merits be a better way to defend your game?

[Wizerud]

Originally Posted by Druixx

The analogy was rather apt. Potential can mean a blank canvas that could become a masterpiece or it could mean a botched first attempt at an endeavor and there is still the ability to turn it into a success.

Exactly, and either the game will fulfill that potential or it won't. No big deal either way as long as there are other games out there worth playing (which there always are).

If the game didn't have potential I'd forget about it like yesterday. But because imo it does, I'll still keep watching it. I'm sure some people don't even feel the game has any potential at all. That being the case I doubt they've even played it or perhaps the game just wasn't for them in the first place.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Druixx

No. If that is all that is left to counterattack then what does that say about the game? Wouldn't extolling merits be a better way to defend your game?

Bzzt. The correct answer is yes. That being said I have extolled the merits many a time in many threads: I like the mechanics, the class system and the art and performance is acceptable on my year and half old machine -- but its pretty pointless rehashing that when the subject currently being discussed in this particular thread at this particular page is whether or not VG has potential (defined in several different ways by several different posters) that could be/could not be fully realized by SOE taking over Sigil and providing some needed direction.

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If you've read my other recent posts its clear that while I think there is a lot to like about VG I agree that it has some major issues (which i will rehash): I had a lot of fun in the game to 40 and consider my $ well spent but I did miss the lack of a long term storyline/lore continuance. Currently at 40+ I've found too much of the content too be too grindy for my tastes and the lack of raiding content means that I lack some motivation to hit 50. Now as I said, I liked the sub-40 content and there are some areas I'd really like to hit but didn't (e.g. Misthaven/ROTK) or hit again (e.g. Stronghold/Tsang/CIS/Pantheon/KH) but the current pop issues means that if I roll an alt I could end up waiting an hour or two for a group unless they merge servers (something that seems more likely with SOE running the show than Sigil) Ra'Jin Stronghold is a blast with a full group, fun if very tough with 2-3 and not so much fun alone. Anyone playing solo is missing out on the full potential of the game.

Which brings us back to the discussion at hand: there are a lot of fully realized dungeons that are as good as anything out there (e.g. Stronghold/Tsang/CIS/Xenn) but for which you need a solid base to ensure that you can find groups. There are dungeons that are only partially realized: cool-looking but lack quests or a final boss (e.g.Vault of the Hidden) which when fully realized should be as good as the other good dungeons and there are things that are still inchoate: (Raiding, other 50+ areas like wyrmwing slopes) or just weird (Dazar) or just too grindy (Tahatamani).

All of which makes the paper analogy just inapt. Anyway back to work for a bit.

[Kodylan]

Originally Posted by Rathgar

What language is this?

Get with the times; he speaks multiple languages so it's ok for him to look stupid in the language most of us type in on these forums.

[Druixx]

Tad, arguing that the game has potential based on subjective likes and opinions is not logic and reason. I have seen your other posts and noted your tastes. We all have different opinions and that is fine.

However, when you are fighting an uphill battle against immense popular opinion contrary to your own, that doesn't cut it which is probably why the Vanboi coalition (which dwindles by the day) has now resorted to petty and frail attacks against such things as analogies.