Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Gaereth]

From Nino -

I've been strongly encouraged to stop posting here and will likely get lectured or have disciplinary action taken against me on Monday for this. Does this mean you win? Congratulations.

You know....one of the bright spots of VG has been Nino and his communication here about the game, its issues, and anything and everything else about the game. He is honestly one of the reasons a lot of people started playing or continue playing...because of the things he has said here.

The sheer idiocy of someone strongly encouraging him to STOP posting when he is one of the few bright spots about VG is astounding. To whomever you are....pull your head out of your ass and see if you can point it towards reality in even a small measure and see that this man, his music, and his communication with this forum is one of the reasons you even have the subs that you do.

[Greyform]

From Nino -

What should really trouble some people, is the fact that I have done more than anyone to try and be as upfront as possible. I've 'fought the system' to the point where I've had my job threatened on more than one occasion. But that is hardly the point right? It isn't about formulating change, it is ONLY about defaming, insulting, and grandstanding. This becomes more and more transparent.

I know people would love to emulate Furor, but they all lack the most BASIC element of what made his 'rants' pertinent. Furor PLAYED the game and sought improvement. His goal, in the end, was to make the game better, the company stronger, and by proxy advance the genre. Today's pathetic proteges exist only to tear down, admonish, and insult. That is not the legacy of this board. Today's dissenters are a shallow reflection of what this board used to be.

I have made the same statement that is in bold in the past. There is a huge difference between what Furor was doing and what UT, THK, and the rest of that band of malcontents was attempting to do.

I try to log in when I can to play VG, I am not blind to its shortcomings, if you play the game and want to see it become a better game. Post away that is the legacy of this board.

If you don't play the game, don't give a damn if you ever do, find something better to do with your time.

I agree with the OP 100% BTW Nino was one of the few that seemed to post here minus the spin.

[Utnayan]

There is one thing I wish to reply to as well:

What should really trouble some people, is the fact that I have done more than anyone to try and be as upfront as possible. I've 'fought the system' to the point where I've had my job threatened on more than one occasion. But that is hardly the point right? It isn't about formulating change, it is ONLY about defaming, insulting, and grandstanding. This becomes more and more transparent.

You should keep fighting the system and doing what you do. As you saw, I even prefaced the small cut and paste I made with a "This person does not even have access to these forums" to try and shade you from any wrong doing, because I * know * you are doing what you can, being outright and honest, and kicking people's asses over there when shit goes wrong - even if you get in trouble for it.

From where I am sitting, you are the only one that gives a shit about ethics over there and what is happening. And I, and everyone else here, thanks you for that.

Nothing will happen to your job.

Edit: And I log in from time to time. I would play more if this title would have been released at least in Mid March... but right now there are so many bugs, hitching, memory leaks, and damn near everything else that will snowball like original EQ as the teams split in April, that it isn't even possible to enjoy the game. And I was liking it until I hit level 12, went off to do new quests, and for some reason in 2 of the areas with 5+ people on my screen my frame rate hits 3. Then those people leave, and my frame rate is STILL three. Happens in three rivers, the town before that, and while questing in a gigantic radius up in the hills past three rivers - without explanation for it happening.

I cannot even imagine what a raid will be like when it comes time for these people to do that. Most people crash down to 10fps with more than 10+ people in an area. I can only imagine what it will be like when it hits 30-40 in an area, or even more than that with people doing other things in a zone.

[darksensei]

Man that's messed up, I bought Vanguard because of Nino. The game still needs a ton of polish before I resubscribe and his constant feedback was the thing letting me know the game was heading in a positive direction. To criticize, even threaten to fire him over the only good publicity I've seen is a reflection on the sorry state of Sigil.

P.S. The best part of the game is the music, you cannot replicate that if you get rid of him.

[Kildace]

I haven't played VG in 3 weeks but I was still subscribed because I wanted to support Nino and the outstanding dev-community relationship he promoted.
I am now canceling my account. Well done Brad.

[Laerazi]

From where I am sitting, you are the only one that gives a shit about ethics over there and what is happening. And I, and everyone else here, thanks you for that.

You certainly have a funny way of showing your thanks...

Did you honestly think no one from Sigil would read the personal message you posted and not investigate?

[Cadrid]

I don't play VG currently, however the big draw of this board is the Batphone. Nino's ability to talk on-level with folks generated a great deal of respect, both for Nino and Sigil. I would certainly hate to have an important source of information and discussion stifled due to a few internet loud-mouths, especially when that source's job is at stake.

So I believe Nino should do whatever he needs to do, be it continue "fighting the system," take a break from doling out the important tidbits, or stop entirely. The board isn't worth getting canned over, especially not for people that can't keep things on the down-low.

[Cuppycake]

Its not surprising to me in the least that Nino is being discouraged from posting here. Some people act as if he's their personal liason for information on every bug they come across. The way people treat these devs over a game they don't even play is ridiculous - I wouldn't want to have to deal with being called out constantly by the same people over and over again.

Whoever was in charge of telling Nino he shouldn't post here was probably thinking with the business in mind. It looks poorly on Sigil to watch Nino be baited into responses with lies and bullshit theories while fighting a battle he can't win because Utnayan will never give up.

[Requiem]

I've deleted a number of posts on this thread personally attacking Utnayan.

I know there's a whole lot of you that want to drag him through the mud right now. That will do nothing but make this thread erupt back into what the nerd rage thread was, and I'd say we've beat that dead horse enough.

Please, let's not get back into a trainwreck.

[Sloo]

Originally Posted by Kildace

I haven't played VG in 3 weeks but I was still subscribed because I wanted to support Nino and the outstanding dev-community relationship he promoted.
I am now canceling my account. Well done Brad.

I guess I don't understand why? I really like it that Nino and other devs posted here. I really like it that people here do not hold back and tell them what they really mean.

But why should they even bother posting anymore?really why? Getting the same retarted comments that we have been hearing from beta over and over again. Some of the people have not even played the game yet continue to bash it again and again. It's fucking old.

I agree that he has put forth outstanding dev-community relationship, but I hope they can find another forum to post on regularly that is not full of raging vanboi's/go back to ezmodwow nub or the I hate brad/bash vanguard no matter fucking what crowd.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by Sloo

I agree that he has put forth outstanding dev-community relationship, but I hope they can find another forum to post on regularly that is not full of raging vanboi's/go back to ezmodwow nub or the I hate brad/bash vanguard no matter fucking what crowd.

No such forum exists, to my knowledge.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by Bolero

If I was Nino, I sure wouldn't post here. The amount of negativity is ridiculous. Much of it seems to come from people who don't even play the game. It is just a game for crying out loud. Could you imagine if you had to put up with so much negativity for a project that you worked on?

Valid discussions and criticisms about gameplay are great, but this has turned into a religious war that defies logic.

I'll tell you why: Brad came here and hyped the game for a long time. The game was released, and it looks as if instead of dealing honestly with the people here, Brad lied, spun, and glossed things over in hopes of getting people to buy his game (which wasn't very good, by most accounts). He seems to be doing much the same thing to the game's current customers. A lot of people didn't enjoy being lied to, and more are angry at the general trend of half-done MMOs being foisted on consumers. And then, Brad came here to hype his game some more, raising even more hackles. Sure people are getting carried away, but Brad's not entirely blameless. It's just a pity that there aren't more people in the business like Nino, actually willing to level with their customers/audience.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Bolero

If I was Nino, I sure wouldn't post here. The amount of negativity is ridiculous. Much of it seems to come from people who don't even play the game. It is just a game for crying out loud. Could you imagine if you had to put up with so much negativity for a project that you worked on?

Valid discussions and criticisms about gameplay are great, but this has turned into a religious war that defies logic.

I'm not sure where they would post then, other than the really small fansites.. the biggest one, Silky Venom, is on par or worse than this place.

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

It's just a pity that there aren't more people in the business like Nino, actually willing to level with their customers/audience.

Keep in mind, there is a big difference between a developer or designer and the CEO of a company. Whether we feel that CEO's should be down on the consumer level as far as communication goes - I think its wishful thinking...especially in this case.

McQuaid is making decisions about what to say based upon the good of not only this game, but for Sigil in its entirety. He's got a lot more riding on each post of his than Nino does. Its obvious that he may not be handling his communication with the playerbase in the most personal way possible....but I imagine its hard to formulate responses to a critical mass that don't incriminate him or the company.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

I'll tell you why: Brad came here and hyped the game for a long time. The game was released, and it looks as if instead of dealing honestly with the people here, Brad lied, spun, and glossed things over in hopes of getting people to buy his game (which wasn't very good, by most accounts). He seems to be doing much the same thing to the game's current customers. A lot of people didn't enjoy being lied to, and more are angry at the general trend of half-done MMOs being foisted on consumers. And then, Brad came here to hype his game some more, raising even more hackles.

That is what completly pissed me off and is part of my decision not to buy vanguard. It was obvious Brad was lieing through his teeth in most threads / posts here.