Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Filthgrinder]

Originally Posted by karuden

I would rather have some of my people with 30 years experience in their field with a HS degree then some 22 year old grad with his new shiny degree from the local community college or even Yale for that matter.

AMEN BROTHER! When I hire people into this business, it's about:

Passion
Talent
Self Motivation
Reliability
and team fit

You prove all those things to me, and you're good to go for an entry level position. You have several years of experience to tack onto that, and we then can discuss where you fit higher up in the chain.

I've definitely learned over the years, and seen it proven time and time again that a college degree does not equal pure raw talent and a willingness to step outside of conventional thinking to find solutions that make noticable progress.

[Jabberwhacky]

this post is 1337

[Tinz]

Originally Posted by Flight

Yes they do. They differentiate between CSRs and GMs.

As an aside its the European division I'm looking at, who will be based in Dublin. They are setting up a new HQ there with a lot of jobs going.

Even if its true that a GM and a CSR are actually different positions, I went to the European website, and I still don't see anything listed under the requirements about a degree.

Game Master Required

Do you want to turn your passion and interest into a good salary and a career?

A Game Master is currently required by the worlds leading Online MMORPG game provider, GOA are recruiting for Warhammer: Age of Reckoning We are looking for German, Spanish, English, Italian or French speakers.

This European operation based in Dublin will provide on going client’s services and support to the company’s online users. You will be liaising with online users of the latest gaming technology. You will gain a greater understanding of the gaming world. This role requires someone with a high level of understanding of the gaming industry and an excellent appreciation of the community and spirit of online gaming.

You will be responsible for assisting other gamers globally, and ethically use your powers to enhance gamers experience, as well as educating them on game format etc

This greatly anticipated release of one of the world’s most famous names in MMORPG will be a breakthrough in gaming, enhancing your knowledge and furthering career.

You must be able to demonstrate a keen eye for detail and be highly creative.

Training will be provided on an on going basis and an excellent package.

So if you want a new challenge in 2007, and an excellent company and global brand which is just setting up its operations in Dublin then call 00353 164 55 200 or click here to apply online.

Manpower - Employers - GOA Jobs

Where are you finding this information about a degree requirement?

[tad10]

Well if Nino needs a new job... Blizz is hiring Leads for their next-gen MMO. Here we go World of Starcraft in 2010 (Edit: Okay 2011 this is Blizz we're talking about).

Blizzard Entertainment - Employment Opportunities

[Zehn - Vhex]

I almost can't believe you guys spent a page arguing about whether or not you need a college degree to be a GM.

almost.

[Simoran]

Originally Posted by tad10

Well if Nino needs a new job... Blizz is hiring Leads for their next-gen MMO. Here we go World of Starcraft in 2010 (Edit: Okay 2011 this is Blizz we're talking about).

Blizzard Entertainment - Employment Opportunities

omgwtf... Nino leaving Sigil? <--- Rumor (> 'v')> True or false?

[Filthgrinder]

Originally Posted by tad10

Well if Nino needs a new job... Blizz is hiring Leads for their next-gen MMO. Here we go World of Starcraft in 2010 (Edit: Okay 2011 this is Blizz we're talking about).

Plenty of ex-Sigil employees are working there, so, if he's in good graces with them, he's well set up if he were to ever leave

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

I almost can't believe you guys spent a page arguing about whether or not you need a college degree to be a GM.

almost.

If I spent the time and effort to get a degree, I be pretty upset if I didnt get something more involved then a GM.

[Neric]

Game Master Required

Do you want to turn your passion and interest into a good salary and a career?

A Game Master is currently required by the worlds leading Online MMORPG game provider, GOA are recruiting for Warhammer: Age of Reckoning We are looking for German, Spanish, English, Italian or French speakers.

This European operation based in Dublin will provide on going client’s services and support to the company’s online users. You will be liaising with online users of the latest gaming technology. You will gain a greater understanding of the gaming world. This role requires someone with a high level of understanding of the gaming industry and an excellent appreciation of the community and spirit of online gaming.

You will be responsible for assisting other gamers globally, and ethically use your powers to enhance gamers experience, as well as educating them on game format etc

This greatly anticipated release of one of the world’s most famous names in MMORPG will be a breakthrough in gaming, enhancing your knowledge and furthering career.

You must be able to demonstrate a keen eye for detail and be highly creative.

Training will be provided on an on going basis and an excellent package.

So if you want a new challenge in 2007, and an excellent company and global brand which is just setting up its operations in Dublin then call 00353 164 55 200 or click here to apply online.

Sounds like they are looking for me. The question is, will it be more than a 5-6 year employment? MMOs are destined not to last forever due to inevitable mudflation issues.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Neric

Sounds like they are looking for me. The question is, will it be more than a 5-6 year employment? MMOs are destined not to last forever due to inevitable mudflation issues.

I don't think widely hated by every player he ever interacted with, sociopath, and arrogant are listed as requirements.

[Neric]

Lol, nice. You seem to know me pretty well. One could almost assume we ever played together on the same server or maybe even in the same guild, but we both know that this wasn't the case.

What you don't see is that the situation is different. It's one thing to argue with other players on messageboards on game mechanics or guild pollicies, it's another thing to solve everyday problems of the playerbase as a GM. Someone with a degree in law should be able to make good and fair social decisions after all. If it works in RL, why shouldn't it work in a virtual world? Messageboards are all about who screems louder or has more supporters, who is right and who is wrong rarely matters.

It's also about insight in the MMO industry and how games work and there are not many who are clearly better in that area. This may fall under your definition of arrogance, but I am just trying to be objective. The Vanguard case is just one example to prove the point. Also, you will hardly have any success in life if you don't believe in yourself. I may not have the level of selfconfidence of a Brad McQuaid, but I have no reason to hide in a corner either.

I am just wondering if such an opportunity is worth to quit everything and move to a different country. Compensation would have to be way above average and it should have a long term perspective also.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Nino

I know exactly who this person is from beta. We had a serious problem with people quoting the vision as scripture and telling our limited amount of testers to 'go play WoW'. I attempted to curtail this behavior and let people know that the game WILL change througout beta, and that the vision was a guideline and not written in stone. Some people took extreme offense to this and reported me for blasphemy. There are those who wanted exactly what was written in the FAQ and that the ideas presented there should never be so much as questioned, let alone adapted or expanded upon. I was just trying to let people know that a game iterates and changes as development proceeds, and that many factors influence our decisions. You can never make everybody happy.

Should I say this? Yeah, why not.

I can vouch for this because I was there for it. I even received an encouraging PM from Nino, even though he probably doesn't know it was me, because I was frustrated with them as well. And I never get that frustrated over a game. I turn it off before that happens but these people got to me. They were murder on Nino. He's not exaggerating one bit. I never saw anything like it in my life.

For whatever it's worth, THAT was the turning point I saw for VG. Right where Nino is talking about in the quote. I saw Nino going in the right direction based on the times. Then I saw a handful of loudmouths who were stuck in some nostalgic past that never happened, hellbent on molding a fantasy world to their liking and using some FAQ like a lawyer would use a case citation to support a legal argument.

When Judge Brad arrived and sided with his Constitution, that was the crossroad. You knew which way it was going at that point and it didn't look good.

I always wondered what would have happened if Sigil let Nino go in the direction that stood with the times. What would have happened if the loudmouths were blasted out of that beta and Nino was left to work with people who did have a good handle on both EQ and WoW?

If WoW was the flourishing byproduct of EQ (and others) that updated with the times to produce a hit, then Nino was correct in trying to build yet another flourishing byproduct of those experienced with similar combined games.

But the dissenters would have none of that. They refused to work with Nino. In fact, they called for his head.

Truth be known, the real shocker for me was, when the loudest of them all, after months and months of arguing, actually had the audacity to admit he had not even played WoW at all. EVER!

I was floored.

[Kreugen]

I'm pretty sure when Brad thinks "instances" he thinks LDON style three rooms and a hallway being reused over and over, or EQ2's initial use of instanced raids as one room with a boss in it. Without ever playing WoW, he had no idea of the kinds of scripted awesomeness you can create with the right tools and without worry of 90 people trying to do it all at the same time and breaking the script.

The primary difference between WoW and everything else was WoW had a GAME mentality wheras EQ and its progeny had a MUD mentality. Therin lies the rub.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Kreugen

I'm pretty sure when Brad thinks "instances" he thinks LDON style three rooms and a hallway being reused over and over, or EQ2's initial use of instanced raids as one room with a boss in it. Without ever playing WoW, he had no idea of the kinds of scripted awesomeness you can create with the right tools and without worry of 90 people trying to do it all at the same time and breaking the script.

The primary difference between WoW and everything else was WoW had a GAME mentality wheras EQ and its progeny had a MUD mentality. Therin lies the rub.

You're absolutely right Kreugen, but he never got past the fight going on in there to see what you're saying.

I just went back and reviewed a link that was posted in this thread and found a second one by the same Slyindril here. No lie, you could go back over a year ago and this SAME post could be found in VG beta. They are STILL arguing about the same thing! Death Penalty, Experience, Maps -- all being "wow-ified" and they use that expression to insult and intimidate everyone.

It's the same no substance argument, different year! There has been no end to this fight and therein lies their problem. If you ask me, something is up with this person and his ilk. Who the HELL argues the same ignorant points for over a year without having some vested interest? As a player, he has NO interest because as a player, I gave up and walked away. Yet this guy is still in there yapping the same passe drivel ad nauseum.

Frankly, if he was sooooo right, they would have had more customers by now, glitches and all. Despite their fond, albeit excruciatingly vague, memories of Everquest, I seem to recall glitches in Everquest that would make Vanguard look like the land of milk and honey.

I'm not kidding when I say I can pull out quotes from VG beta that mimic those links, almost verbatim. So what's really going on?

[teneran]

Originally Posted by Neric

Someone with a degree in law should be able to make good and fair social decisions after all. If it works in RL, why shouldn't it work in a virtual world?

If you truly believe this, you're even more of an idiot than I thought, which is really saying something. Ignorance is one thing, and somewhat excusable, but in your case, its painfully obvious that you either have barely lived, or have spent your entire life with blinders on .... yet you time and time again think you know what you're talking about.

Have you ever had significant dealings with our legal system or lawyers in a professional setting? Law school trains people to argue and win .... good and fair are completely irrelevant.