Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by tad10

Well I was looking for a post from you but the only one I saw was too far back :-)

I see, it's not the content of the post you are concerned with, just the poster. Fair enough, if that is what you think contributes to the discussion, carry on!

[Camerous]

WB Tad.

And who gives a shit what Neric posts? He has been a prick about VG from years ago. Are you all really surprised he still posts stupid shit? Ignore the stupid fucker already. Who even takes his posts seriously any more anyway?

Thanks again for the post Brad. Always good to hear from someone in the "know" about their game. Even better to see you post and take responsibility for the mistakes like a man instead of blaming random internet posters of putting the wrong message out there... a message, I might add, they got directly from your own mouth.

[holymight]

Originally Posted by Samflam

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you know that there's an actual spell in WoW called "Counterspell"? How about Earth Shock? Kick? Shield Bash? Mortal Strike? Hex of Weakness? Silence? Wound Poison?

Not sure where WoW came from, but healing in Vanguard is a much bigger deal than other MMOs. Mobs have unlimited mana and they heal for a shitload. Killing a healing mob, when he comes with two adds, is quite hard.

[machineman]

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

I will say I think we did a pretty darn good job overall.

Brad, until you understand that the above statement is wrong, Vanguard cannot ever get any better. Also, I can't even believe you mentioned an expansion.

But no matter, the game just flat out isn't fun. Even if all of the bugs were fixed, art direction improved, performance improved... it just isn't a fun game. It's simply more of the same, but not done that well.

[dechire]

Originally Posted by Neric

Hey buddy, I warned you about that one (yes, you can look it up on this very forum), but at the same you had no chance. Blizzard was waiting for you, so they could time TBC to bust your ass. That's not surprising at all, because it's the single most obvious and best move that they could have made in that situation. Everything else would be underestimating their intelligence.

You really are an idiot if you actually think that the TBC released date had anything to do with Vanguard. OK i'll give you that someone actually might have mentioned it in passing at one of the many TBC launch date meetings.

[James]

I maintain that sitting like a pansy ass limp wrist and jumping around like a dead goat are what killed the game. For shame.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by machineman

Brad, until you understand that the above statement is wrong, Vanguard cannot ever get any better. Also, I can't even believe you mentioned an expansion.

But no matter, the game just flat out isn't fun. Even if all of the bugs were fixed, art direction improved, performance improved... it just isn't a fun game. It's simply more of the same, but not done that well.

For YOU. Remeber there is plenty of people playing it and enjoying it.

Bugs and performance aside, VG is a solid game.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Samflam

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you know that there's an actual spell in WoW called "Counterspell"? How about Earth Shock? Kick? Shield Bash? Mortal Strike? Hex of Weakness? Silence? Wound Poison?

You realize in EQ you could stun/mez/push most mobs to stop casting, right?

None of this shit is fucking brand new, not in WoW, not in VG, probably not even in EQ as I'm pretty sure since the days of pen and paper you could stop a cast.

And to the person claiming are bosses different...Again welcome to every fucking game released. WoW had bosses that look just like normal mobs but with an extra ability/more stats, guess what, VG does too. They also both have bosses that look totally different with fun scripted encounters that contain adds, special holds, paths whatever. Both games do the same thing.

Fucking shit the things people bitch about. And this isn't directed specifically at you sam, it's anyone that posts this retarded shit. Stop comparing event X in WoW to event Y in VG...or ability x and y, you get the point.

What we should really be asking is for some info on their ideas for the cool shit he(Brad) posted and not flaming him for admiting they have and are working on problems. Tell us about your ideas for player run towns with RTS elements, talk to us about this non-ecludian space dungeons, that shit sounds cool. What are some of your ideas to impliment with the physics engines benefits?

I hope that we can get a response to some of that shit and that the people here will be mature enough not to expect any response as the exact and only truth of what they will impliment but just brainstorming about it's potential. Like that fucking worm that ate corpses dicussion venting off into a 60 page thread about how loosing your gear would suck when it was an idea for a single encounter.

[Drtyrm]

Of course it "sounds cool". That has fuck all to do with the state of VG and where it will be in the future. Brad makes a mountainous post, is totally on point, but still comes out with what amounts to daydreams. He doesn't understand that talking about vapor like that is throwing chum in the waters for the VG haters.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by dechire

You really are an idiot if you actually think that the TBC released date had anything to do with Vanguard. OK i'll give you that someone actually might have mentioned it in passing at one of the many TBC launch date meetings.

I predicted that they will release together with Vanguard and I gave you a reason why. They did release together with Vanguard and the reason turned out to be quite effective. What else do you need? An official statement?

Anyone with a minimum of business competence would have done the same and if not, that person would have to be replaced. It's that kind of decisions that seperates the sharks from the fish and if you want to be successful you better be a shark.

Also you really need a lesson in Ockham's Razor or Bayes mathematics. It is very unlikely that both products that take so much work and effort are ready for release at the exact same time. It would involve too many lucky coincidences. If both products get released at the same time, it's far more likely that one side (in this case Blizzard because in contract to Sigil they had the option to release or not to release) has planned it to be that way.

The argument that Blizzard could not have released earlier than they did does not matter, because they didn't have to. Sigil released earlier than expected after all. What Blizzard would have done if Sigil had waited a bit longer is unknown and you cannot derive any argument from it. Simple logic...

Of course unlikely doesn't mean impossible and the version I described is the most likely one from a business point of view. It doesn't mean it happend that way though. A certain margin of error cannot be avoided when you make an educated guess.

[Camerous]

Maybe he doesn't give a shit about the VG haters? Fuck them. The people he should be concerned for are the people still playing his game. If they aren't paying to play his game then they can STFU really cause they are not making any difference in VG nor are they helping to make it better..

[kohl]

Originally Posted by tad10

With respect to bosses. It should be pointed out -- again -- that there are difficult bosses throughout the game not just in the endgame. Temple of Dailuk (lvs 18-22ish) has a boss that spawns 6 adds that heal him if they touch him.

Warpsplinter in Botanica. Check.

Originally Posted by tad10

He's an AES boss so you can't have another group helping you burn him down.

Can't get help in an instance. Check.

Originally Posted by tad10

There's a nasty level 11 boss that has a directional wide-area stun (grandmaster Ra'jin guy in Stronghold).

Mobs that stun! In an AE fashion no less? Fascinating.

Originally Posted by tad10

Hrukstraz is a level 40 6dot that has a mountain of hp, mitigation and nasty cleave.

I met this guy. His name is Quagmirran.

Seriously; where is the stuff like bosses that actually work together; imagine for example a boss that fires a beam, and a second boss magnifies/changes it or aims it at a certain player; you have to react based on party composition, etc.

I haven't heard anything from VG that goes beyond what we faced in EQ.

[Broham]

Originally Posted by Camerous

Maybe he doesn't give a shit about the VG haters? Fuck them. The people he should be concerned for are the people still playing his game. If they aren't paying to play his game then they can STFU really cause they are not making any difference in VG nor are they helping to make it better..

Word!

[Drtyrm]

Neric, if you log into WoW real fast, you may still have time to craft your Tinfoil Hat.

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by kohl

I haven't heard anything from VG that goes beyond what we faced in EQ.

And you have in WoW?