Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Fine. Have it your way Mr. Grass roots marketeer.

Okay now that is funny. Did you notice the column textures are just copied and pasted from one column to the next ? They probably built the whole arch textures and all and just copied and pasted the entire thing. Wow, those fucking monsters sure can lay some laser fine pinpoint masonary work.

HOW DO UNDEAD DO THAT SHIT !!

It really does highlight the big issue for VG, Quality vs Quantity, and in a game world that size, Quantity is probably going to win out. The one silver lining is if the population stays low, they can "corral" all the people into a few areas, and rope off the rest of the empty world.

Edits: Sorry forum acting weird and I am tired.

[Drtyrm]

I suggest Xregg's Screenshot Thread. Put it in general even, if you don't think it'll catch the traffic you are looking for in Screenshots.

[rinthea]

The post about the 'instances for pve', 'none for pvp' has merit. I'd like to think a happy medium could be found. I think Sigil fully understand that and were going about it with AES. Unfortunately, like a lot of things, it was harder to implement then they thought and doesnt exist. I think the bosses now are just straight uop hack and slash too because of the same reasons.

Not having instances does not matter at all either way for leveling to 50. But for raids, they better have something to take its place for the vast majority of encounters.

I like diplomacy as well, and I'm told this was also supposed to be tied into the game more, but again, time and money constraints nailed them again. Unfortunately, itjust feels like its tacked on the side. This could have been gold if it was tied into the adventuring leveling curve. As it is, most dont see the content.

I think they've got a pretty good grasp on mudflation. There are a few enconomy problems that need fixing however. For example, rare harvesting materials are trivialized by crafters deconstruncting. This is sort of like what WoW would be like if when disenchanting an item you got your shard and your arcanite crystals with it.

[xregg]

i want req to give me a sticky in screenshots section

[Laerazi]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Okay now that is funny. Did you notice the column textures are just copied and pasted from one column to the next ? They probably built the whole arch textures and all and just copied and pasted the entire thing. Wow, those fucking monsters sure can lay some laser fine pinpoint masonary work.

HOW DO UNDEAD DO THAT SHIT !!

ROFLMAO that is so funny! Thanks for pointing it out; no other designers reuse models to save on memory and load times. HAHA!!

[rinthea]

I forgot to add. The only current thing in VG to replace instances, is farm x tokens to summon your own boss. These are fucked up. Think AQ gate opening, bug farming(albeit admittedly not that bad) and you have VG's current alternative to instances.

If raids are like this, angry I will be. Seduced by the dark side.

ps stop bitching about graphics :/

[xmod2]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

I suggest Xregg's Screenshot Thread. Put it in general even, if you don't think it'll catch the traffic you are looking for in Screenshots.

Please do, the posts are completely OT, annoying to scroll past and aren't even that good looking.

We have mods here right? This is the kind of stupid shit that needs to be moderated.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Laerazi

ROFLMAO that is so funny! Thanks for pointing it out; no other designers reuse models to save on memory and load times. HAHA!!

I didn't say that was the case. I was remarking that they used the exact same texture in the exact same position on all those columns. I can clearly remember that Brad really hyped on how the world was going to be "hand made" and while you could argue it was a hand that hit each of those columns with the paint brush (or whatever the tool is called) it looks robotic, unnatural, and it really stands out.

I read through all the text UT added to it, I was able to see what he was saying on most of it (I didnt get the wall rug comment) but my eyes kept getting drawn to the columns.

Is it beyond the capability of a 3rd gen game to slightly alter the position of the texture map so they don't all line up exactly the same ? Maybe reverse the texture ? Turn it upside down ? Something ? Anything ?

If the reuse of texture doesn't matter, if the world doesn't have to appear natural or realistic, why bother texturing it at all ? Why not just go back to Muds ?

I will say the mob in that picture looks pretty bad ass, hats off on at least that one. Why the mobs got more model love then the players is another topic entirely

[Laerazi]

Originally Posted by rinthea

I forgot to add. The only current thing in VG to replace instances, is farm x tokens to summon your own boss. These are fucked up. Think AQ gate opening, bug farming(albeit admittedly not that bad) and you have VG's current alternative to instances.

If raids are like this, angry I will be. Seduced by the dark side.

ps stop bitching about graphics :/

Part of their solution was supposed to be the advanced encounters (instanced scripting), but the game has very few (and not very creative, that I've seen). I can't really recall much normal scripting, either... another reason why I'm not playing.

I didn't say that was the case. I was remarking that they used the exact same texture in the exact same position on all those columns. I can clearly remember that Brad really hyped on how the world was going to be "hand made" and while you could argue it was a hand that hit each of those columns with the paint brush (or whatever the tool is called) it looks robotic, unnatural, and it really stands out.

I read through all the text UT added to it, I was able to see what he was saying on most of it (I didnt get the wall rug comment) but my eyes kept getting drawn to the columns.

Is it beyond the capability of a 3rd gen game to slightly alter the position of the texture map so they don't all line up exactly the same ? Maybe reverse the texture ? Turn it upside down ? Something ? Anything ?

If the reuse of texture doesn't matter, if the world doesn't have to appear natural or realistic, why bother texturing it at all ? Why not just go back to Muds ?

I will say the mob in that picture looks pretty bad ass, hats off on at least that one. Why the mobs got more model love then the players is another topic entirely

I'm not really sure what techniques the artists have to work with, but it's pretty clear around the entire game that the artist's don't spend too much time perfecting areas. Their decision to make a giant world and also have higher resolution textures results in what you're seeing now; I don't think the payoff was worth it, but I'm a graphics whore..

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Laerazi

Part of their solution was supposed to be the advanced encounters (instanced scripting), but the game has very few (and not very creative, that I've seen). I can't really recall much normal scripting, either... another reason why I'm not playing.

I could have sworn I saw an official / semi official post that they were scrapping or shelving development on AES, I want to say to get the beta as in good of shape as it could be for launch.

I know there are some places that have that in place, can anyone confirm if they are working on this again ? Believe it or not that was one of the biggest draws for me from way back in the day on the FAQ. The way they described it sounded cool as shit.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I could have sworn I saw an official / semi official post that they were scrapping or shelving development on AES, I want to say to get the beta as in good of shape as it could be for launch.

I know there are some places that have that in place, can anyone confirm if they are working on this again ? Believe it or not that was one of the biggest draws for me from way back in the day on the FAQ. The way they described it sounded cool as shit.

I believe AES has been cancelled, I'll try and find the post.

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

No idea. Frankly, I'm really very interested in just what went on behind the scenes in developing this game. If someone writes a book about it someday, I'd buy it.

You know, if it was a totally truthful and blunt one, which includes the whole MS story I would too lol.

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Jesus F Christ would you just put a god damn link to the pics already?

Or how about quit parading screenshots. We have seen screenshot upon screenshot. Quit breaking the tables with this.

Go to screenshots and post your heart out.

Have to agree :| not to mention hes just posting generic, unimpressive screenshots from low level areas~

[Lhon]

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retar...tml#post689688

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

AES is in and used a bit, but not nearly enough. Turned out to take a LOT more time than expected to implement it, and with the rush to get the game out, there isn't much. All I can do is apologize.

[Draegan]

Just for comparison. For better or worse.