Nino...One of the upsides of VG. - Page 51

kcxiv · 03-30-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayne

Yet I could log into WoW, AO, EQ2, or countless other games, and i'll be up half the night playing. Why? Because the key "hooks" they needed to provide to keep me playing Vanguard simply were NOT there. No bullshit or scientific methodology required.

I didnt find them hooks in them games right there. Where did you find yours?

Rayne · 03-30-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

I didnt find them hooks in them games right there. Where did you find yours?

Fine example of the point at issue LOL

rinthea · 03-30-2007, 08:26 PM

Oh noes, easy mode VG!?! Seriously, the games coming along nicely now. No wonder the subscriber base is increasing.

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Hi Everyone,

We've posted a thread concerning changes to the death mechanics, we invite the Test Server community to share their feedback and experiences there.

http://www.vanguardspheres.com/forum...html#post33713

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Hi Everyone,

I’m sure as many of you may be starting to notice there have been a few changes to the death mechanics with our move to Build 1799, at this point we have not published patch notes for them as they are experimental, however, we still very much so appreciate your feedback on them!

The current changes are:

- You will no longer leave a corpse when you die; instead you will drop an essence.
- You no longer leave items (Soulbound or not) on your essence.
- Essences will return a large amount of experience upon retrieval.
- Your essence will decay after 70 hours.
- Altars will still allow you to summon corpses from before the patch on 3/30/07 (Build 1799), however, you are unable to summon essences.
- The amount of experience lost when you die has been decreased.

These changes are part of our ongoing plan to improve your experience while playing vanguard without removing the risk involved. Please realize that these may be changed and modified as we continuously test them to ensure the best gameplay experience is achieved.

We welcome you to discuss your feedback, experiences, and concerns in this thread as we work together to make Vanguard even better!

See you in Telon,
- The Vanguard Team
Thanks all!

ps thanks for the pvp death xploit

and i hope we'll still be able to insta travel after this goes live lol

Rayne · 03-30-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rinthea

Oh noes, easy mode VG!?! Seriously, the games coming along nicely now. No wonder the subscriber base is increasing.

Not bad at all. Couple of nice changes there. They should have implemented those ideas when they were first presented to them in the games early beta stages. Could have saved a lot of unnecessary heartache.

I'm still going to wait until later this year/early next year to give it another try though. But it definitely seems they're on the right track.

Deris · 03-30-2007, 11:13 PM

With every patch I wonder what happened to the original design docs, and when did they get edited to the mess that they are now.

Gaereth · 03-30-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

I didnt find them hooks in them games right there. Where did you find yours?

Aye...if that doesn't prove the whole point everyone is saying then nothing will.

Laek · 03-31-2007, 12:06 AM

Thats to f'ing funny. When there were hundreds of post on the beta 1-3 boards about how corpse runs were out dated , tedious, and would drive people away they didn't give a shit.

"If you are looking for a game with more risk and serious penalties for not playing your character correctly then maybe Vanguard isn't the game for you."

Hachima · 03-31-2007, 12:17 AM

Even more changes on the way possibly.

This is on the test server now

Quote:

Hi Everyone,

We've posted a thread concerning changes to the death mechanics, we invite the Test Server community to share their feedback and experiences there.

Death Mechanic Changes – Feedback Thread - Vanguard Spheres: an official affiliate fansite

I’m sure as many of you may be starting to notice there have been a few changes to the death mechanics with our move to Build 1799, at this point we have not published patch notes for them as they are experimental, however, we still very much so appreciate your feedback on them!

The current changes are:

- You will no longer leave a corpse when you die; instead you will drop an essence.
- You no longer leave items (Soulbound or not) on your essence.
- Essences will return a large amount of experience upon retrieval.
- Your essence will decay after 70 hours.
- Altars will still allow you to summon corpses from before the patch on 3/30/07 (Build 1799), however, you are unable to summon essences.
- The amount of experience lost when you die has been decreased.

These changes are part of our ongoing plan to improve your experience while playing vanguard without removing the risk involved. Please realize that these may be changed and modified as we continuously test them to ensure the best gameplay experience is achieved.

We welcome you to discuss your feedback, experiences, and concerns in this thread as we work together to make Vanguard even better!

See you in Telon,
- The Vanguard Team
Thanks all!
__________________
James "Elrar" Nichols
Community Representative
Sigil Games Online, Inc.

UnchainedAcolyte · 03-31-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayne

Why is it that where Vanguard is concerned, anyone with a negative opinion needs to have an underlying thesis on why they didn't like it, providing links, DNA, and full forensic evidence to back up thier opinion?

I played some elf type rogue through some newb island tutorial thing, then got transported to some other island, did some questing, looked around to see if I could get into some crafting or diplomacy stuff (didn't find anything), killed some mobs, dinged level 7, and logged out. I can't even remember the characters name, and this was just last week. It wasn't for me. Simple as that.

Yet I could log into WoW, AO, EQ2, or countless other games, and i'll be up half the night playing. Why? Because the key "hooks" they needed to provide to keep me playing Vanguard simply were NOT there. No bullshit or scientific methodology required.

Had you read my comments in the thread and the statement from Draegan I was responding to, I was commenting on the supposed "absolutist" views he was saying all of those of us who like Vanguard have, which is garbage. I've openly admitted to the bugs, problems, and shortcomings of the game, while acknowledging the good as well.

I also wasn't arguing against the right for people to have other opinions on the game. I defended Cuppy's right to, in fact.

Pay attention to what's being discussed, rather than simply going on the defensive, Rayne. You'll look more credible next time.

EDIT: Interesting changes on the Test Server. Color me skeptical until I try them out.

Utnayan · 03-31-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

I didnt find them hooks in them games right there. Where did you find yours?

Does not dropping to 5 FPS anytime 6 people enter the screen count as a hook?

Utnayan · 03-31-2007, 02:10 AM

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Oh noes, easy mode VG!?! Seriously, the games coming along nicely now. No wonder the subscriber base is increasing.

This, and this alone, is why the boards are shit.

kcxiv · 03-31-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Utnayan

Does not dropping to 5 FPS anytime 6 people enter the screen count as a hook?

Doesnt happen to me when 6 people enter, it happens to me when mobs ae though. That kills me, but thats bieng taken care of soon.

Utnayan · 03-31-2007, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Doesnt happen to me when 6 people enter, it happens to me when mobs ae though. That kills me, but thats bieng taken care of soon.

Happens to me still in rivers. Whenever I enter this area my frame rate drops to 13. Whenever more than 7 people enter my area of view, with a 6800 gt and 2 gigs of ram, I drop even lower.

When do you think it is time to "fix" rivers?

kcxiv · 03-31-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Utnayan

Happens to me still in rivers. Whenever I enter this area my frame rate drops to 13. Whenever more than 7 people enter my area of view, with a 6800 gt and 2 gigs of ram, I drop even lower.

When do you think it is time to "fix" rivers?

I honestly dont spend any time in rivers, so i have no idea on that area. I spent most of my time in Qalia.

I cant wait to upgrade though, but i knew going into the game, that my pc would barely handle it, i couldnt in beta at all.

Itzena · 03-31-2007, 02:57 AM

Isn't that pretty much the same death penalty as EQ2 had at launch, now?

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03-31-2007, 12:06 AM	#757 (permalink)
Laek Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 590 -1 Internets	Thats to f'ing funny. When there were hundreds of post on the beta 1-3 boards about how corpse runs were out dated , tedious, and would drive people away they didn't give a shit. "If you are looking for a game with more risk and serious penalties for not playing your character correctly then maybe Vanguard isn't the game for you."