Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by rinthea

I'll be resubscribing next month to VG.

Oh ok you do that. Great patch notes eh??

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I don't see the issue with what Ut did at the end of the last thread. This is hardly an honorable industry. He didn't say the name of the person who gave him the info and yeah I just don't see the big deal. Not anymore than people who come here from the new games and break the NDA with positive spin (aka what Brad and others did).

Honestly I don't mind what Ut says, or even the responses, but I would like something to be done to stop the back and forth. That would be the only thing I'd stop. Like they do on EJ if a thread is going nowhere and is just back and forth flaming, then close the thread. That's all imo that I think needs doing.

Excellent post, I agree 100%, hell 110%. The problem always has been, the one liner attacks, the flames, the nasty attacks and so on, and the vast majority of those, if not all are coming from the hater crowd, not from the Axis of Equal (I am copywriting that btw).

You guys are attacking yourselves and you are too "engraged" to stop and see what is going on. Some of you people, are (and have been) saying the same shit about myself, Neric, TwoBit and UT for the last 2 months, and I might add, in every thread any of us post in. Hello pot, this is kettle, how are you today ?

For the love of all thats holy, the only reason you can post those flames and attacks in the first place, is because how this forum is set up and run, and you want to change that to heavy moderation ?

Y'all are insane.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I'm really not surprised you would say something like that, because it fits your agenda. Just like it is no surprise that you "+1" a crappy picture. If a 100 page thread develops, and this one is certainly well on it's way, then fine. If that's what the people want, and they can keep it within reason (which is not something for you or I to decide - only the mods) then threads can get as big as they want.

hahaha

No, dickwad. People dont want 100 pages of spam.

You see, padiwan, what happens here, is 100 pages of spam is the sort of drivel that retards like yourself want. So what happens, like dropping a bloody cow of a boat attracts sharks, it attacts more retards like yourself to enjoy a massive cocksmoking orgy. So you end up attracting a retarded userbase.

The normal people, the vast majority, dont really want to partake in a cocksmoking orgy like in that photo (which pretty much summarizes you fuckwits posting history on these boards (thats why its +1, jealous you didnt make it? I thought you should have been in there somewhere too)). So the people you (not you personally) want (i.e. the majority) using this board, go elsewhere like elitist jerks or somewhere, where some cocksmoker isnt going to fag up their thread.

People do not want FoH to continue down the cocksmoking orgy of fuckwititry, that attract fuckwits such as yourself and your crew. They want some valid discussion of mmos.

And in response to your other halfwitted allegations. No, I dont choose my position based on what you think my 'agenda' is. No, calling yoru pathetic argument pathetic is not spam. Its anti-spam.

[Twobit Whore]

Ut's picture blows that one away by a mile. Hell two miles. And thanks for resorting to a post full of nothing but personal attacks. Good to know that as soon as your system of moderation goes in that you will one of the first to go.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Ut's picture blows that one away by a mile. Hell two miles. And thanks for resorting to a post full of nothing but personal attacks. Good to know that as soon as your system of moderation goes in that you will one of the first to go.

I gave you a chance. But then when with a single post you demonstrated how I should be talking to you, so thats how I did. If you can get through the personal attacks, there is actually a reason for my stance on the matter. Something which ironically, you criticize, but never provide your own. Perhaps you should seek a career in politics.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by rinthea

hahaha

No, dickwad. People dont want 100 pages of spam.

You see, padiwan, what happens here, is 100 pages of spam is the sort of drivel that retards like yourself want. So what happens, like dropping a bloody cow of a boat attracts sharks, it attacts more retards like yourself to enjoy a massive cocksmoking orgy. So you end up attracting a retarded userbase.

The normal people, the vast majority, dont really want to partake in a cocksmoking orgy like in that photo (which pretty much summarizes you fuckwits posting history on these boards (thats why its +1, jealous you didnt make it? I thought you should have been in there somewhere too)). So the people you (not you personally) want (i.e. the majority) using this board, go elsewhere like elitist jerks or somewhere, where some cocksmoker isnt going to fag up their thread.

People do not want FoH to continue down the cocksmoking orgy of fuckwititry, that attract fuckwits such as yourself and your crew. They want some valid discussion of mmos.

And in response to your other halfwitted allegations. No, I dont choose my position based on what you think my 'agenda' is. No, calling yoru pathetic argument pathetic is not spam. Its anti-spam.

I'd say this is just as much the problem as you make those you portray out to be. Damn fine example! Carry on

[Laerazi]

oops, forgot Twobit Whore in that pic; oh well.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Rayne

I'd say this is just as much the problem as you make those you portray out to be. Damn fine example! Carry on

I made sure to not include personal attacks in my little list of things that should be moderated. Because, quite frankly, some people deserve it.

[ntangent]

when i made my post early in the thread for better moderation, it was directed at people like rinthea and all the other "flame ut/hiram/twobit? me too!" fucks that need to have their nonsense moderated. unlike you douchebags, they actually are making a point regarding the topic at hand, as much as you may not agree with them.

by now i'm pretty sure that most people have an idea of what those posters are going to say. don't like it? don't read it or ignore them. it's that simple. if you fucks would just DO IT instead of flaming them it wouldn't be a problem. you're certainly not adding a damn thing to the discussion.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Nino

I know exactly who this person is from beta. We had a serious problem with people quoting the vision as scripture and telling our limited amount of testers to 'go play WoW'. I attempted to curtail this behavior and let people know that the game WILL change througout beta, and that the vision was a guideline and not written in stone. Some people took extreme offense to this and reported me for blasphemy. There are those who wanted exactly what was written in the FAQ and that the ideas presented there should never be so much as questioned, let alone adapted or expanded upon. I was just trying to let people know that a game iterates and changes as development proceeds, and that many factors influence our decisions. You can never make everybody happy.

Couple things Nino.. Why have a FAQ if you know things are going to be in flux and what is represented by said FAQ are not meshing up with reality ? Why not limit the FAQ to rough system specs, and a general feel for the game? Once you go live, you can update the FAQ with what the game really is ? I know that FAQ, I spent alot of time reading it on the old Sigil forums, and on the new Sigil site when it went live, and I agree that the picture presented there was not what I encountered in the game once I entered beta. Not a big deal for me overall, I tend to like to judge things with my own eyes rather then through someone elses (as far as FAQ to real game experience goes anyway) but I can see where it would send people over the deep end.

And... You have said the "You can never make everybody happy" thing a few times recently if I recall, and I seem to remember Brad saying that recently as well. And while that is totally true (we say that where I work, but our version is more like "Well we ain't building a jewelry box, it ain't gotta be perfect", it feels to me where I work, and it feels to me coming from you guys as a sort of cop out, or perhaps "comfort talk".

Especially when you tie that in with the FAQ, and then further segue into managing peoples expectations, which is something Brad was GONZO BONKERS on way back when this all started. Something feels wrong with the whole "I am going to manage expectations because thats the most important thing" coupled with "The FAQ doesn't represent the game" married to "Well you can't make everybody happy".

Do you see what I mean ? There is no logic train there, it smells like confusion to me.

[Wolfen]

I don't see how saying you can't please everyone is a cop out. It's 100% true. Even God can't please everyone. If everyone was pleased, this forum would have a rainbow banner at the top, you'd get cotton candy with every post, and neat sparklies would shoot out my ass.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Wolfen

I don't see how saying you can't please everyone is a cop out. It's 100% true. Even God can't please everyone. If everyone was pleased, this forum would have a rainbow banner at the top, you'd get cotton candy with every post, and neat sparklies would shoot out my ass.

When it is said because of a game design perspective, yes then it is true. When it is said because you released your game 3 months too early in an Alpha state, it's a cop out.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by rinthea

I made sure to not include personal attacks in my little list of things that should be moderated. Because, quite frankly, some people deserve it.

You're joking right? Flames like that are the optimal catalyst for setting a thread toward trainwreck status LOL

Goose, gander, i'm sure you know the rest.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by ntangent

when i made my post early in the thread for better moderation, it was directed at people like rinthea and all the other "flame ut/hiram/twobit? me too!" fucks that need to have their nonsense moderated. unlike you douchebags, they actually are making a point regarding the topic at hand, as much as you may not agree with them.

by now i'm pretty sure that most people have an idea of what those posters are going to say. don't like it? don't read it or ignore them. it's that simple. if you fucks would just DO IT instead of flaming them it wouldn't be a problem. you're certainly not adding a damn thing to the discussion.

So the problem is people reacting to the problem and not the problem itself? Why dont you just ignore me instead of flaming me hey? c wat i did there

In all seriousness. I was on topic and added to the discussion.

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by Hiram Key

And... You have said the "You can never make everybody happy" thing a few times recently if I recall, and I seem to remember Brad saying that recently as well. And while that is totally true (we say that where I work, but our version is more like "Well we ain't building a jewelry box, it ain't gotta be perfect", it feels to me where I work, and it feels to me coming from you guys as a sort of cop out, or perhaps "comfort talk".

"You can never make everybody happy" is reality, deal with it.

Hiram Key, I usually don't read your posts because I don't have time, but this time I did and it's complete and worthless drivel. Are you seriously complaining about a FAQ written about a game so long ago that is already in post production? What purpose do you serve wasting my time making me read this piece of worthless shit post?

Do you see what I mean? There is no worth to it, it's just a train of useless nitpicking.

We're reviewing what we're going to do about shit like your last post, and I'm hoping that we'll be stricter about it such that if you or anyone else posts nagging garbage like that we can get rid of them, along with the string people who call them 'retards'.