Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Samflam]

Originally Posted by Neric

Point is, you give me the impression that you felt that you made an asshole out of yourself for promoting a game that you didn't like once you had access to it. Now you try to find something to screw your old enemy like Utnayan, so he doesn't get the full satisfaction for being right after all. You don't have to put in all your energy to show him up so that you can feel better about the subject. Just forget about the whole thing.

Are you fucking serious?

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Greyform

Neric, you are so far away from the point that you have no clue what Braen or anyone else here is saying.

I am happy that I got guys like you around who can explain the world to me. What would I do without you, buddy?

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Neric

You are twisting it just like you need it. If Utnayan writes something about Vanguard, you scream that it is totally absurd or came right out of the blue and wasn't not based on any facts. This time he confirms it with a quote and you don't like it either, because "it puts his source on the spot". How about you define what sort of posting you are willing to accept from him.

If anyone, then Nino is to blame. He wrote a PM to convince Utnayan that Vanguard was doing fine, holding promise, whatever. Obviously the information confirmed the opposite, otherwise it couldn't have been used to prove exactly that. Then he steps up and tries to make a point for being quoted out of context and now his "career is in danger". Sorry dude....

Actually, Neric, if you go back and see the bullshit he posted, 2/3 of it was out of date and untruthful. Since the majority of the said content is in the game now.

So yeah, hes twisitng the truth, old ass information and coupling this wit him not even playing the game and going on "2nd hand info" which is all spun his way to make shit look real bad, when in fact it isnt.

He is full of shit.

[xmod2]

I have a serious question for Req. Have we "activated" a new batch of accounts since Brad posted that "go forward good Vanguard forum warriors" post, basically linking to his post here and saying how people were being mean?

I remember that poll that started going crazy and this place has seemed like a circus since then.

It's funny to me that most of the VG defenders are like 06 or 02. Crazy times.

[Slick Willey]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Here's an idea - what about a forum here on fohguild.org where developers, presidents, any sort of representative of these gaming companies can come to have valid discussion about a particular topic.

The forum would allow only these people to start threads, and they would be moderators with the full ability to delete and edit posts. I know it sounds oppressive, but I think it could work as long as nobody was allowed to abuse it, and I am willing to be the people's champion on that front.

We have something here on these forums that could potentially be a powerful tool for the progression of the genre. I'm only brainstorming for a way for these people to get what they are obviously seeking by posting here without the risk of a single person or a few multiple people taking away the possibility of any good coming from a thread. It's astounding how much disruption can be caused with so little effort. I'm open to ideas on the subject.

While I appreciate the idea, my fear is that with guys like Brad, it would simply turn into a "dev-moderated" advertising forum. "Guys, I'm soooo excited about Vanguard. Look at all these cool things we got planned." We don't need this kind of crap, and some posters here need to get over their "star-struck" complex they have with McQuade.

Gallenite, Smedley and Schilling have more than proven they are capable of generating good MMORPG discussion in the General Forums. Hell, I'm not sure I have seen any people being disrespectful of Nino (maybe Ut, if that). The ONLY problem-dev-child on this forum is Mr. McQuade, and he brings it on himself both with his posting style and his crappy game.

[Braen]

Originally Posted by Neric

I did notice that your Vanguard avatar was gone and I wanted to ask you about that one day

Point is, you give me the impression that you felt that you made an asshole out of yourself for promoting a game that you didn't like once you had access to it. Now you try to find something to screw your old enemy Utnayan, so he doesn't get the full satisfaction for being right after all. You don't have to put in all your energy to show him up so that you can feel better about the subject. Just forget about the whole thing.

that's not it at all.

I really don't remember Utnayan and I being "old enemies" Most of my responses back were to you as far as i can remember.

My point isnt against Utnayan. This is where you are missing my point. I would be all over this from anyone that posts private dev communications because it hurt the communication between the playerbase and Devs.

If any of the VG supporters would ahve done this, I would have done the same thing. Utnayan doesn't get a pass because we used to be mean to him. ::grins::

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Samflam

Are you fucking serious?

Yes I am, most of the former fanbois are on a crusade to screw Utnayan, because that's the only thing left. The game itsself is through and everyone knows it.

There is nothing good to post about Vanguard, so let's all post something bad about Utnayan. Sure, we were wrong about the game, but we were definitely right that he is an idiot! This way we score at least a tie out of it.

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Did all the doomsaying and flame throwing from the nerd rage thread migrate here?

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by xmod2

I have a serious question for Req. Have we "activated" a new batch of accounts since Brad posted that "go forward good Vanguard forum warriors" post, basically linking to his post here and saying how people were being mean?

I remember that poll that started going crazy and this place has seemed like a circus since then.

It's funny to me that most of the VG defenders are like 06 or 02. Crazy times.

You mean when he linked that "are you looking forward to VG" survey to the official forums? Maybe, but since you don't have to be a member to vote, I doubt that too many bothered.

[Mkopec1]

I think hes doing a perfectly good job screwing himself./shrug

Conspiracy theories to keep UT's bullshit posts silenced? /laff....

[Lenaldo]

Ban brad and ut... and maybe even neric.... problem solved..

[r.gun]

Originally Posted by Neric

Yes I am, most of the former fanbois are on a crusade to screw Utnayan, because that's the only thing left. The game itsself is through and everyone knows it.

There is nothing good to post about Vanguard, so let's all post something bad about Utnayan. Sure, we were wrong about the game, but we were definitely right that he is an idiot! This way we score at least a tie out of it.

How delusional can you get? This isn't a matter of "Ok, VG sucks, but lets call the haters dumb." It's simply the fact that Ut has always been preaching about how dishonest developers, Brad in particular, are and then he goes around and posts something that was written in confidence. Not only that, but he then lied that the person who wrote it "doesn't visit these forums" to try to "protect" Nino. He's a fucking liar who is trying to persecute liars for lying. Thus, making him a hypocritical moron. Get the point, Neric? I didn't think you were that obtuse.

[Greyform]

Originally Posted by Neric

I am happy that I got guys like you around who can explain the world to me. What would I do without you, buddy?

Probably continue making an ass of yourself.

Oh wait.. You still are. Sorry I was unable to help ya buddy.

Please continue with your poignant defense of UT and how we are all out to screw him over.

[Kodylan]

Originally Posted by Faille

Back to the original post, anyone else think Nino and Gallente should get together to make the next big MMO?

To be fair, and mind you, Gallenite has done an excellent job behind the steering wheel of EQ2 to get it back to where it should have been at launch - there are other people that should receive credit for turning the game around as well. The designers of the recent EQ2 expansions are every bit as involved in the role of turning EQ2 into a respectable game content-wise. I think a mix of the solid EQ2 designers, Blizzard designers, and even some Sigil folks, would make a hell of an MMO. Put Gallenite in charge and it'd be a recipe for success, as he's proven to be a solid producer in the MMO genre(he was the producer during Planes of Power in EQ as well I believe).

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Neric

There is nothing good to post about Vanguard, so let's all post something bad about Utnayan. Sure, we were wrong about the game, but we were definitely right that he is an idiot! This way we score at least a tie out of it.

Sure there is. this game has alot of reedeming qualities. Too bad every time someone posts them they get drowned out by the same 3 idiots spewing the same lies/hate over and over.

Yeah the game is buggy and might be nothing "3rd gen" about it, but aside that its a solid game with a metric ton of good quality content. I think its worth every penny of the $50 just to see it and play it.

And in reality, even if this game did score 500K the opening month, it would still be a failure to those which consistantly post here to bash it.

As for Brad? I cannot see too many lies within his fluff speeches here. And lets face it, he is the CEO and your not gonna find him bashing his game or his ideas or his vision. So take it for what its worth. Were all adults here with brains, lets start using them.