Nino...One of the upsides of VG.

[Twobit Whore]

I don't think Nino sent that info to Ut. I think Nino sent that to someone else, and that person sent it to Ut. So if anything, the person who 'plays the game and actively tries to help' is at fault for sending info he was trusted with to a 3rd party.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Neric

It looks like Utnayan posted an excerpt from a PM without telling the name of the author and then Nino claimed that it was him. I respect such honesty, but if anyone was endangering careers here, it was Nino himself.

I have had a bit of delay on this response, because I was looking for a nice fitting quote. Something like "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone", but couldn't find anything fitting....you get the idea.

What the fuck... So it was Nino's fault for being honest and actually trusting Utnayan? I mean, Nino is probably far too naive, but still, are you blaming Nino for being too nice?

[Aphextwin]

Originally Posted by EmiliaEQ

VG has gone a long way since it late beta release.
Its a really enjoyable game if you have a regular crew.
And are willing to put up with a few bugs once in a while.
It is NOT the pile you shit Utnayan describes.

Perhaps a little off topic but what the hell.

I rolled a Sorcerer at launch, played everyday and leveled to 36, I then rolled a warrior, played everyday and leveled to 35. Yesterday for fun I rolled a Shaman, I leveled to 12 and I have to say that the experience was very different from my previous two characters. There were more quests to do, better detailed quests including correct map locations, an increase in quest mobs, and only one (known) bug encountered (CTD after 5hrs of play) during my first 12 levels and I did travel a fair bit, Khal, neamsog, darkhorse, Ahgram etc. Interestingly, I grouped with about 5 different players during that time and 3 of them had just bought the game and said they were having fun; at least none had anything negative to say at that point.

My FPS is not where I would like it for the machine I play on; travel times can be extremely painful, chunking is either silky smooth, about face, 5 second lag and on the now rare occasions black screen or CTD. LFG at higher levels is very painful, durability is an issue but apparently it has been addressed internally and will be pushed next patch. Crafting and Diplomacy have their issues too but I can’t comment on those as I am more an adventurer and don’t often dabble in those spheres.

I had some very frustrating problems when I first purchased the game and I know I still get pissed at the game from time to time. I am not looking to make excuses for the VG’s current state but it still is the only game currently available that I really enjoy coming home from work to play and to echo EmiliaEQ we need more people playing the game.

I certainly don’t think the game is in as big of a mess now as it was at release and certainly not the mess that some people here would have you believe.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

What the fuck... So it was Nino's fault for being honest and actually trusting Utnayan? I mean, Nino is probably far too naive, but still, are you blaming Nino for being too nice?

Again, Nino didn't trust Ut. He didn't send that to him. Someone else did, someone who plays and loves Vanguard.

[JulesDrools]

Whats wrong with VG? I've been too busy playing it for the past 2 months... There's a couple bugs that i've found, but for the most part it rocks.

I'm guessing people like to complain on internet forums?

Cheers,
Jules

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Braen

No No A thousand times NO! He should never have been put in that position at all. the blame is squarely with Utnayan for posting it and making Nino come out and defend himself.

You are twisting it just like you need it. If Utnayan writes something about Vanguard, you scream that it is totally absurd or came right out of the blue and wasn't not based on any facts. This time he confirms it with a quote and you don't like it either, because "it puts his source on the spot". How about you define what sort of posting you are willing to accept from him.

If anyone, then Nino is to blame. He wrote a PM to convince Utnayan that Vanguard was doing fine, holding promise, whatever. Obviously the information confirmed the opposite, otherwise it couldn't have been used to prove exactly that. Then he steps up and tries to make a point for being quoted out of context and now his "career is in danger". Sorry dude....

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by JulesDrools

Whats wrong with VG? I've been too busy playing it for the past 2 months... There's a couple bugs that i've found, but for the most part it rocks.

I'm guessing people like to complain on internet forums?

Cheers,
Jules

A lot of people don't like Brad advertising here, and the game's pretty buggy at this point. Also, Utnayan is apparently Cpt. Ahab to Brad's Moby Dick, which is what really keeps this stuff going.

[Samflam]

Again, Nino didn't trust Ut. He didn't send that to him. Someone else did, someone who plays and loves Vanguard.

The point is the PM was posted for all to see. Utnayan's a fucking hypocrite and the shit he pulled only goes to show he treats this board as his own personal soapbox and his ego comes before anything else; and every thread he pulls his shit in suffers for it.
Here's something you faggots like to gloss over: many people on this board see through the hype and understand the basics of the MMO industry. It's to be expected that some things won't make it into a launch and features get put on the backburner, sometimes to never be implemented. Of course it's not ideal, and of course some developers are guiltier of this than others. Again, this is not hard for anyone with at least some of their senses intact to see.
And guess what? VG loses because people recognize that the game falls short. Because as hard as it may be for you to believe, people can actually make decisions on their own. The internet champion routine you play isn't responsible for this.
So cut the shit. It's disrespectful to the community here when you spout off trite nonsense like "Everyone buys into the fluff except for me and Utnayan and we are hated for it".
Everyone hates you guys because you're obnoxious, self important douchebags.

[kohl]

Originally Posted by Aphextwin

I had some very frustrating problems when I first purchased the game and I know I still get pissed at the game from time to time. I am not looking to make excuses for the VG’s current state but it still is the only game currently available that I really enjoy coming home from work to play and to echo EmiliaEQ we need more people playing the game.

I certainly don’t think the game is in as big of a mess now as it was at release and certainly not the mess that some people here would have you believe.

VG needed a stellar launch followed by positive word-of-mouth and good reviews to build a solid player foundation.

That didn't happen, and judging from Brad's posts here, they are rapidly trying to re-invent the game to give it more mass appeal. Only time will tell I suppose but for the mean time, good luck to those who stick it out. I can't believe they still don't have forums up. Community-building should be a top priority for Sigil.

[r.gun]

The thing is, the stuff Ut put up didn't prove anything but that there WAS content at 35+ and that there was a bunch more right at our doorstep. Not only that, but it's not like month old information is really all that convincing when the game is changing as much as Vanguard is. As Nino said, most of the dungeons on that list that say "Coming soon..." were actually already in and working.

[Braen]

Originally Posted by Neric

You are twisting it just like you need it. If Utnayan writes something about Vanguard, you scream that it is totally absurd or came right out of the blue and wasn't not based on any facts. This time he confirms it with a quote and you don't like it either, because "it puts his source on the spot". How about you define what sort of posting you are willing to accept from him.

If anyone, then Nino is to blame. He wrote a PM to convince Utnayan that Vanguard was doing fine, holding promise, whatever. Obviously the information confirmed the opposite, otherwise it couldn't have been used to prove exactly that. Then he steps up and tries to make a point for being quoted out of context. Sorry dude....

I never did that at all. he promised someone not to post certain infomation. he said that in the post HIMSELF. And he posted it anyway to prove his point.

I could give a shit if it is right or not. I am not a blind vanguard defender. I haven't been since I played beta. You should noticed that after beta hit, i started posting less and less. hell, people were wondering where I went. now, after release, did you see me in the patch notes threads, or the Nerd rage thread, shitting all over Utnayan cause he hates Vanguard? No! I didn't call out Twobit or Hirim or anyone cause they hate VG. I am calling him out because of blantantly lied and used private infos to prove a point, which was then disproven.

the whole point is he promised someone not to post private information and he did anyway. And admitted it.

This goes back to the point why Devs don't talk to their playerbase... they can't trust anyone to keep their mouths shut

[r.gun]

Originally Posted by Samflam

So cut the shit. It's disrespectful to the community here when you spout off trite nonsense like "Everyone buys into the fluff except for me and Utnayan and we are hated for it".
Everyone hates you guys because you're obnoxious, self important douchebags.

QFT.

[Greyform]

Originally Posted by Neric

You are twisting it just like you need it. If Utnayan writes something about Vanguard, you scream that it is totally absurd or came right out of the blue and wasn't not based on any facts. This time he confirms it with a quote and you don't like it either, because "it puts his source on the spot". How about you define what sort of posting you are willing to accept from him.

If anyone, then Nino is to blame. He wrote a PM to convince Utnayan that Vanguard was doing fine, holding promise, whatever. Obviously the information confirmed the opposite, otherwise it couldn't have been used to prove exactly that. Then he steps up and tries to make a point for being quoted out of context and now his "career is in danger". Sorry dude....

Neric, you are so far away from the point that you have no clue what Braen or anyone else here is saying.

-Utnayan

Want to see what has been missing from Vanguard? Here is a small snippet from a page long fucking post that I promised not to post - so I am only taking a small segment from it. This is from an actual employee who is employed right fucking now at Sigil. For the record, this post does not come from anyone that posts here or has access to this forum.

In Utnayan’s own words he promises not to post this PM and then he does it anyhow. There is no gray line here. This is as black and white as it gets.

As far as I am concerned (not that my opinion has any real merit) but folks like UT and yourself should all get little “attention whore” signatures so that every time you post here people can see exactly what you are.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Braen

I could give a shit if it is right or not. I am not a blind vanguard defender. I haven't been since I played beta. You should noticed that after beta hit, i started posting less and less.

I did notice that your Vanguard avatar was gone and I wanted to ask you about that one day

Point is, you give me the impression that you felt that you made an asshole out of yourself for promoting a game that you didn't like once you had access to it. Now you try to find something to screw your old enemy Utnayan, so he doesn't get the full satisfaction for being right after all. You don't have to put in all your energy to show him up so that you can feel better about the subject. Just forget about the whole thing.

[Cantatus]

Originally Posted by Faille

I prefer when Brad posts as a fellow MMO player with industry experience rather then when he's promoting / defending vanguard in particular.

I think that's a valid point. Look at the other people in the MMOG industry who have posted here over the years. How many of them elicit nearly the same sort of response that Brad gets? The only one who comes close is Smed, and I think even with him, people have been far more amicable to his posting in recent months. Brad really didn't start getting the responses he's getting now until he decided to use this board as a platform to advertise his game rather than to discuss MMOGs.

While I do think some moderation could be in order as some players do go overboard, there's a part of me that almost feels like Brad brought some of this upon himself. People here get called on their shit regardless if they're someone who has been posting here for a month or a MMOG developer. The reason Scott and Nino's posts are appreciated so much is because they don't write novellas spinning things.

In Brad's defense however, I do think he's been a lot more honest than some posters give him credit for. He never had to come out and say the game was released early due to financial concerns (or that the game was released early at all). He could've spun that just as easily as how SOE, in the past, tried to pass off a lot of their garbage as finished. The fact that he even admits this is almost shocking to me. I think he's still just getting a lot of flack for the way he presented things prior to Open Beta. I guess that's where some moderation could come in handy. I do think Nino has a good point about people trying to emulate Furor and with some other people here that some of that needs to be brought into line if this board wants to continue to be so popular.