Nino...One of the upsides of VG. - Page 13

Bizanich · 03-26-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

Oh that one. What was the name of the employee again who was endangering his career by leaking this information?

Good to see Ut breaks promises as readily as the MMO creators. Doubt he sees it that way.

So, Neric, you're not going to turn it around and blame Nino for trying to be honest, are you?

holymight · 03-26-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

How do you know? Did Utnayan post the name?

Do you ever bother reading threads? Go to the last page of that thread...

Twobit Whore · 03-26-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

How do you know? Did Utnayan post the name?

No, he didn't. Nino owned up to it on his own to try and correct some information I guess. So yeah, if the point is that Nino could have blown it off and let it go, he could have.

Greyform · 03-26-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Braen

No. You go in there and post information you promised someone that you would never reveal, therefore endangering their jobs and further damaging any chances of any developers coming on here to discuss anything. The only reason they told you that info was based on your word.

You (and people like you) are the main reason industry people DO NOT talk to their playerbase. Because they can't trust anyone that is not employed where they work.

I still can't believe you posted what you did, admited that you promised you wouldn't leak it and almost sounded like you were doing the playerbase a service by leaking it!

Based on that alone you should be one of the first banned from the "Dev forums" idea cause you can't keep your mouth shut even when you promise you would.

The sadly ironic thing is, UT’s entire platform has been “Dishonesty in the MMO field” mainly Brad’s but others as well.

You really did not do yourself any favors UT, I know I have personally defended your right to post unpopular opinions even though I did not agree with many of them.

But yeah, your own morals took a pretty major hit on what you did to Nino.

I hope your leash on FoH just got a lot shorter that’s really all I have to say on the matter.

r.gun · 03-26-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

So yeah, if the point is that Nino could have blown it off and let it go, he could have.

He shouldn't have, though. The information he gave in confidence was being used in the wrong context so the best thing for him to do was to clarify what he meant when writing that list. That it wasn't a list showing the lack of content, but how much there already is and what is coming soon.

xmod2 · 03-26-2007, 08:53 AM

I love how the Vanboi's all cry that you need to actually play and shit to be able to say anything. Then as soon as one of their own come out and say "well I played and I ended up not liking it!" they all jump all over him. It's so obvious you guys, just give it up.

Anyway, IMHO this forum started going downhill once everyone got such a hard on about devs posting. This forum wasn't started to be a place for devs to come and post and have everyone suck their dicks, the devs came here because of what the forums were. I think if you guys keep trying to come up with ways to get devs to come and actually start pursuing them, you'll find that they'll go away.

I don't agree with "dev forums" and all this shit. Stick with what brought the devs here in the first place, outspoken members and a community of people who tend to know more about the genre than other boards. Vanguard is nothing, it's a crappy game that let a few people down. Vanguard will calm down in a few months and will be delegated to the random "anyone playing VG?" threads and a bunch of people will start a 3 week FOHBoards VG guild.

This shit is all Vanguard specific. This shit doesn't happen in the threads about EVE-O, LOTRO, etc. Frankly, VANGUARD is the problem and if you want to solve the problems, ban Vanguard discussion.

Greyform · 03-26-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

No, he didn't. Nino owned up to it on his own to try and correct some information I guess. So yeah, if the point is that Nino could have blown it off and let it go, he could have.

Because hiding and hoping no one notices is how a man handles things. Right?

Braen · 03-26-2007, 09:00 AM

hey now. Twobit is not saying he SHOULD have ignored it. He is saying he COULD have.

r.gun · 03-26-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Braen

hey now. Twobit is not saying he SHOULD have ignored it. He is saying he COULD have.

I know, I was just saying that if that was what Neric was getting at, then it isn't really a good point.

Braen · 03-26-2007, 09:07 AM

Neric is just trying to defend one of the Anti-VG Boiz... there really is not defense to what Utnayan did. I don't like attacking people. i really don't. I have, for the most part, stayed out of VG threads mostly cause they turn into shit-slinging fests after the tenth post or so.

Vilgan · 03-26-2007, 09:09 AM

Maybe posting this a bit late in the thread, but Nino and Gallenite are two very positive forces for their game.. at least for me. Gallenite (when he posts) has come across as honest, straightforward, and passionate about his game. His posts made me try EQ2 again after a very negative experience at launch. I'm unsubscribed now, but if he continues to remain open with the community as he has been.. I will likely return to EQ2 at some point in the future.

Likewise with Vanguard.. I tried it courtesy of someone on this board sending me a trial code (thank you btw). It was more fun than I expected, but it just wasn't fun enough for me to keep playing. To be honest, Nino's openness about the game and obvious passion in hoping that it turns out well keeps Vanguard as an option someday in the future for me. In 6 months.. assuming he is still posting and the game has made the improvements that we all hope it will, I might go back. If he is cut off, I will likely not bother giving it a shot.

Brad's posts... make it seem like he might care. But in general they come across as very fluffy without any real substance... which actually makes me respect the game less than if he didn't post at all. If he followed Gallente and Nino's example and was honest and straightforward on a frequent basis, I'd almost definitely be back in Vanguard in 4-6 months time to give it another shot. However, most of his existing communications about his game have made it seem like a shallow advertisement that discourages me (if anything) from bothering with Vanguard.

Anyways... nothing new here, but it seemed worth saying.. if only to help encourage more communication of the right type from MMO devs.

Gnome Eater · 03-26-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Here's an idea - what about a forum here on fohguild.org where developers, presidents, any sort of representative of these gaming companies can come to have valid discussion about a particular topic.

The forum would allow only these people to start threads, and they would be moderators with the full ability to delete and edit posts. I know it sounds oppressive, but I think it could work as long as nobody was allowed to abuse it, and I am willing to be the people's champion on that front.

No, not the developers policing posts, but pick a few very well spoken intelligent posters and ask them to police posts with a heavy handed moderation.

There are a few intelligent posters here who are not too agenda driven, charge them with heavily moderating that thread of any personal attacks and ask them to handle it. Allowing the developers to moderate it will only lead to even more namecalling as they will accuse devs of being nazis, and will spawn meta threads accusing devs of deleting their comments.

I also am of the opinion that what Nino said is far more sensible. Have far far far stricter moderation and less people who try to develop an internet e-thug reputation by flaming devs, people have this idea that they are like Tom Cruise's character in a few good men holding THE EVIL DEVS accountable for their actions and asking tough questions, when the reality that is transparent to everyone with a brain is that they are a scorned little boy with a vengenace who abuses the internet anonimity.

Free speach is fine and all, but you just drown up the board with shit signal to noise ratio if you allow people to shit up threads nonstop.

Leave this board as is, it can become the FYAD of FoH guild, and start a serious MMORPG discussion thread where only useful criticism is allowed, and a lot stricter moderation. I also want to point out to the people who are stupid enough to ask for moderation for developers: Developers are not your peers. They don't enjoy the anonimity of the internet and the ability to flame people you do. People read this board because there are gems of posts from Nino, Kendrick, Scott, Smed (hell, the station whitepaper stuff was awesome) - not because they wanna read retarded shit from Hiram Tower or Utnayan. If the cost of getting useful posts from those people is banning all those faggots, I would gladly pay the price 1000000x.

Neric · 03-26-2007, 09:12 AM

It looks like Utnayan posted an excerpt from a PM without telling the name of the author and then Nino claimed that it was him. I respect such honesty, but if anyone was endangering careers here, it was Nino himself.

I have had a bit of delay on this response, because I was looking for a nice fitting quote. Something like "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone", but couldn't find anything fitting....you get the idea.

Braen · 03-26-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

It looks like Utnayan posted an excerpt from a PM without telling the name of the author and then Nino claimed that it was him. I respect such honesty, but if anyone was endangering careers here, it was Nino himself. That's all.

No No A thousand times NO! He should never have been put in that position at all. the blame is squarely with Utnayan for posting it and making Nino come out and defend himself.

Again this is why devs DO NOT TALK TO US! if you "respect such honestly" then why not call out Utnayan for the dishonest posting of a PM he promised he would never post?

edit: good point Faille

Faille · 03-26-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

It looks like Utnayan posted an excerpt from a PM without telling the name of the author and then Nino claimed that it was him. I respect such honesty, but if anyone was endangering careers here, it was Nino himself. That's all.

He should know not to trust Utnayan to keep his word, so I guess you got a point there.

03-26-2007, 09:09 AM	#191 (permalink)
Vilgan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 322	Maybe posting this a bit late in the thread, but Nino and Gallenite are two very positive forces for their game.. at least for me. Gallenite (when he posts) has come across as honest, straightforward, and passionate about his game. His posts made me try EQ2 again after a very negative experience at launch. I'm unsubscribed now, but if he continues to remain open with the community as he has been.. I will likely return to EQ2 at some point in the future. Likewise with Vanguard.. I tried it courtesy of someone on this board sending me a trial code (thank you btw). It was more fun than I expected, but it just wasn't fun enough for me to keep playing. To be honest, Nino's openness about the game and obvious passion in hoping that it turns out well keeps Vanguard as an option someday in the future for me. In 6 months.. assuming he is still posting and the game has made the improvements that we all hope it will, I might go back. If he is cut off, I will likely not bother giving it a shot. Brad's posts... make it seem like he might care. But in general they come across as very fluffy without any real substance... which actually makes me respect the game less than if he didn't post at all. If he followed Gallente and Nino's example and was honest and straightforward on a frequent basis, I'd almost definitely be back in Vanguard in 4-6 months time to give it another shot. However, most of his existing communications about his game have made it seem like a shallow advertisement that discourages me (if anything) from bothering with Vanguard. Anyways... nothing new here, but it seemed worth saying.. if only to help encourage more communication of the right type from MMO devs. Last edited by Vilgan; 03-26-2007 at 05:55 PM..

03-26-2007, 09:12 AM	#193 (permalink)
Neric <insert funny comment here> Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,996 -6 Internets	It looks like Utnayan posted an excerpt from a PM without telling the name of the author and then Nino claimed that it was him. I respect such honesty, but if anyone was endangering careers here, it was Nino himself. I have had a bit of delay on this response, because I was looking for a nice fitting quote. Something like "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone", but couldn't find anything fitting....you get the idea. __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer

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03-26-2007, 08:53 AM	#186 (permalink)
xmod2 The Orange Bard Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 392 +1 Internets	I love how the Vanboi's all cry that you need to actually play and shit to be able to say anything. Then as soon as one of their own come out and say "well I played and I ended up not liking it!" they all jump all over him. It's so obvious you guys, just give it up. Anyway, IMHO this forum started going downhill once everyone got such a hard on about devs posting. This forum wasn't started to be a place for devs to come and post and have everyone suck their dicks, the devs came here because of what the forums were. I think if you guys keep trying to come up with ways to get devs to come and actually start pursuing them, you'll find that they'll go away. I don't agree with "dev forums" and all this shit. Stick with what brought the devs here in the first place, outspoken members and a community of people who tend to know more about the genre than other boards. Vanguard is nothing, it's a crappy game that let a few people down. Vanguard will calm down in a few months and will be delegated to the random "anyone playing VG?" threads and a bunch of people will start a 3 week FOHBoards VG guild. This shit is all Vanguard specific. This shit doesn't happen in the threads about EVE-O, LOTRO, etc. Frankly, VANGUARD is the problem and if you want to solve the problems, ban Vanguard discussion.