Vanguard Patch Notes Update #1 - Page 16

Duppin · 03-09-2007, 10:40 PM

Man, whatever.

Let the VANGUARD SUX LOL e-circlejerk go on unhindered, I guess.

Drtyrm · 03-09-2007, 10:46 PM

He shilled his game hard during the NDA. Then he disappeared pretty much. His posts have not even 5% of the content you get from Nino. Is it surprising why he is getting this sort of reaction?

Nice of you to post Brad, but these could be gaming company magazine interviews, for all the real content they possess.

Kaxmax · 03-09-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Duppin

Gee, wait, Vanguard gets flamed constantly by a devoted group of the worst posters on this board, and he's often subjected to some of the nastiest personal attacks I've seen on the interwebs...but he's not allowed to lose his temper or imply that he might be tired of posting here when he has to take so much shit here on a constant basis?

As I've said in other threads, after playing it a while Vanguard isn't my cup of tea...but some of you need to learn some fucking social skills.

Badly.

Give me a fucking break. He's a big boy, if he's going to hype his game to ungodly proportions on a board like this he better expect some negative feedback when his game doesn't come close to living up to the hype. Was I over the line? I guess....I'd say I've seen worse here. I'm certainly not a frothing VG-hater, I bought the game and enjoyed parts of it despite the shitty state it was released in.

It's possible to have civil developer/poster relations here, look at Nino. None of the VG haters give him problems because he actually gives a straight answer.

nunchohai · 03-09-2007, 11:13 PM

I am enjoying Vanguard despite the massive amounts of bugs currently in the game. I have /bug 'd them in game, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to post them here as well for Nino/Aradune to see. These bugs are going to drive people away from the game if they aren't fixed soon IMO.

- Random rollbacks and loss of several hours of experience after moving from a chunk to another, this has happened to me twice in the last few days. I have a petition active for the most recent one so we'll see how that goes.

- Character faces/body settings - these aren't being saved properly, who knows what you will look like when you log in.

- Random chunk destination - when you zone from one chunk to another, sometimes you end up several chunks over, sometimes in a bad spot making you dead, sometimes you go from one chunk to the next and it will flip you 180 degrees making you zone right back where you came from when you continue forward

- The temporary teleporter port in spot in Khal will put you in an enclosed area under the dock if you are on a horse (this is my best guess) making you have to recall or do a /stuck yes and wait for that to kick you out to a safe spot

- Some quest containers are not giving the proper quest items when you search them, I have 3 quests that are on hold because quest items aren't present inside. I've been told by others I should wait for a server reset and try then so I'm not sure whether they aren't present at all, or just for the first person to do that quest after a reset. Bounty Hunt: Voracious Shambler is one that is broken this way.

Mythas · 03-10-2007, 12:09 AM

So i leveled a bit with my necro, now sitting pretty at 17.

To the poster who told me to stick in there with the graft thing you were right. Now i have my max amount for level 15 and about 3 for level 20.

The bugs are still there, but in reality for my class aren't game breaking and manageable.

I have lost a total of 3 corpses *exp wise* one from getting raped by snapjaw trying to cross the river ( couldn't find tombstone on this one, looked for 20 mins and gave up / decided it poofed ) and two others due to chunking / going ld and getting killed. In the end, no big deal just about 10 mins of exp and your right as rain.

One thing i would like to make a positive comment about is the community. I play on flamehammer and am currently leveling in Qualia. Tonight i was in a ToD group and /ooc had a good conversation going about gaming in general. My group was hamming it up in chat just a good time. I think one of the nice things about vanguard is that is has more of a mature / experienced gaming audience. Sure, we have our tards and whiners but for the most part people are really cool. Its something i felt every game since eq has lacked, and something that wow never ever could dream of having * due to proliferation of tards*

On a different note to whole brad v/ foh board. I realize that your team has many different talents. I understand you have artists / music duders / programmers / wtf ever but don't expect us to believe that the guy that makes quests can't help QA a melee damage change. I know the people you hire aren't retards.

Just like many have said the point is, you said you were going to do something, your team didn't follow through. Yes, your line of work is a "game" but none the less you do have "customers" that pay for your product. Now, a great many of them myself included would like to continue paying for your product. Fact of the matter is we don't like being told one thing and getting something else instead.

People are and always will be pissed when thier class gets a nerf. Save for something really outlandish. Fixes / balances / nerfs are something that every player has come to terms with. However when only one person from the "team" ( the allstar with the nerfbat ) shows up for game day well the fans don't like it too well.

What it looks like to us is *take rangers for example* your portion of the team that does class work adjusted range damage but /lol forgot to look into dex affecting ranged damage like it should. Its "adjusting damage on some abilites" but being retarded and not "fixing the BROKEN abilities you have in game too"

I believe that your team is doing everything in thier power to fix things in game. I have no doubt in my mind. Just don't come here and get upset when people are upset because you and your team didn't deliver. In my opinion the only people you have to be upset with is your team. You have to look and see how they dropped the ball. FFS not only did they leave out items on the patch notes but forgot or didn't put some of the items in that were supposed to be there. I love the fact that we get the word straight from the horses mouth here. I think everyone does its amazing that this board has this privledge. Just buck up, admit you messed up and get your shit together.

r.gun · 03-10-2007, 12:19 AM

I agree with Duppin. The Vanguard threads on this forum are generally filled with posts from the same group of naysayers, saying the same shit over, and over, and over... I'm surprised Brad still even posts here with so much bullshit circle jerking going on. I don't even read the threads anymore, I just go to Silkyvenom and check the dev post track - it's much more informative and I don't have to sift through 25 posts from the same 4 people in order to find an ounce of information.

With that said, I have been playing Vanguard pretty regularly with some friends of mine and we're having a blast. I don't read into patch notes like I'm studying for an exam, and I am not rushing to be at the bleeding edge of content but I'm having fun just running through dungeons with some solid players. People get way to upset about nerfs and shit like that - my suggestion is to just play the game, and enjoy it, don't stress out about nerfs.

kcxiv · 03-10-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by r.gun

I agree with Duppin. The Vanguard threads on this forum are generally filled with posts from the same group of naysayers, saying the same shit over, and over, and over... I'm surprised Brad still even posts here with so much bullshit circle jerking going on. I don't even read the threads anymore, I just go to Silkyvenom and check the dev post track - it's much more informative and I don't have to sift through 25 posts from the same 4 people in order to find an ounce of information.

With that said, I have been playing Vanguard pretty regularly with some friends of mine and we're having a blast. I don't read into patch notes like I'm studying for an exam, and I am not rushing to be at the bleeding edge of content but I'm having fun just running through dungeons with some solid players. People get way to upset about nerfs and shit like that - my suggestion is to just play the game, and enjoy it, don't stress out about nerfs.

Thats exactly what i have been doing. I was never one to log in a parser to see if i am up to par with everyone else. I let other people do that shit. I just play the game to have fun. If i am having fun, then thats all that matters to me.

I also been checking SV alot lately for the same reason. The shit the same 4-5 people keep spewing about VG does get old. I bet though, they are playing in some form. Even though they will deny at all costs they arent. oh well. It's late, and i turned in to many missives tonight. I am going to pass out.

Camerous · 03-10-2007, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

It's late, and i turned in to many missives tonight. I am going to pass out.

lol Guzzy and I were just talking about this... staying up way too late playing VG and how were aren't as young as we used to be. 4:30am here and I am dead tired. Damn getting old. *sighs*

Hardcore Cracka · 03-10-2007, 02:29 AM

imo name those 4-5 people so we can crucify them and move on

kcxiv · 03-10-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Camerous

lol Guzzy and I were just talking about this... staying up way too late playing VG and how were aren't as young as we used to be. 4:30am here and I am dead tired. Damn getting old. *sighs*

Damn Judgement Night is on HD universal, so guess i am staying up til its over. lol Yeah, i just hit 30, and i cant hang like i used too.

Mithrull · 03-10-2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duppin

Gee, wait, Vanguard gets flamed constantly by a devoted group of the worst posters on this board, and he's often subjected to some of the nastiest personal attacks I've seen on the interwebs...but he's not allowed to lose his temper or imply that he might be tired of posting here when he has to take so much shit here on a constant basis?

As I've said in other threads, after playing it a while Vanguard isn't my cup of tea...but some of you need to learn some fucking social skills.

Badly.

You're in the wrong place for refined social skills. Why act like an adult when you can act like an adolescent? Effective communication is so unhip.

FanBuss · 03-10-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladefury

Fixing broken stuff is much more important then "balancing" the classes right now mainly because of the incredibly huge numbers of broken things.

Fixing crashes needs to be a priority.
Updating tooltips to display what they ACTUALLY DO needs to be a priority.
Making sure you don't break more then you fix in a patch needs to be a priority.

YES! I'm enjoying this game alot but the bugged tooltips really fucking piss me off, especially for the various components in Crafting. Are all those dropped items used in CRafting supposed to be for Ranged Ammo damage modification? I don't know wtf to keep and give to guildies.

Drednots · 03-10-2007, 08:36 AM

Game is enjoyable so far overall what pisses me off to no end are these healing 2dot mobs that take me 10 minutes to kill. If you guys are gonna nerf my disc's dps fine, but adjust these unlimited energy pool npcs that cant be interupted and I gotta watch them heal over and over and over. Either give us an interupt ability or put a limit on their energy pool. Would not be as ticked if it was a 3 dot+ but its a 2 dot npc.

Example: Red sparrow quest line in Southwatch.

Big W Powah! · 03-10-2007, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

He shilled his game hard during the NDA. Then he disappeared pretty much. His posts have not even 5% of the content you get from Nino. Is it surprising why he is getting this sort of reaction?

Nice of you to post Brad, but these could be gaming company magazine interviews, for all the real content they possess.

Not to nitpick, but he wasn't shilling. He was quite obviously affiliated with it. Thus, not shilling. More like, whats that worsd? promoting!

Big W Powah! · 03-10-2007, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drednots

Game is enjoyable so far overall what pisses me off to no end are these healing 2dot mobs that take me 10 minutes to kill. If you guys are gonna nerf my disc's dps fine, but adjust these unlimited energy pool npcs that cant be interupted and I gotta watch them heal over and over and over. Either give us an interupt ability or put a limit on their energy pool. Would not be as ticked if it was a 3 dot+ but its a 2 dot npc.

Example: Red sparrow quest line in Southwatch.

Really? Heh, I just haven't had problems with healing mobs. Even pre-revamp in beta, I handled them fine (and our DPS is leaps and bounds ahead of then, with just as good healing/staying power)

03-09-2007, 11:13 PM	#229 (permalink)
nunchohai Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6 +0 Internets	Vanguard I am enjoying Vanguard despite the massive amounts of bugs currently in the game. I have /bug 'd them in game, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to post them here as well for Nino/Aradune to see. These bugs are going to drive people away from the game if they aren't fixed soon IMO. - Random rollbacks and loss of several hours of experience after moving from a chunk to another, this has happened to me twice in the last few days. I have a petition active for the most recent one so we'll see how that goes. - Character faces/body settings - these aren't being saved properly, who knows what you will look like when you log in. - Random chunk destination - when you zone from one chunk to another, sometimes you end up several chunks over, sometimes in a bad spot making you dead, sometimes you go from one chunk to the next and it will flip you 180 degrees making you zone right back where you came from when you continue forward - The temporary teleporter port in spot in Khal will put you in an enclosed area under the dock if you are on a horse (this is my best guess) making you have to recall or do a /stuck yes and wait for that to kick you out to a safe spot - Some quest containers are not giving the proper quest items when you search them, I have 3 quests that are on hold because quest items aren't present inside. I've been told by others I should wait for a server reset and try then so I'm not sure whether they aren't present at all, or just for the first person to do that quest after a reset. Bounty Hunt: Voracious Shambler is one that is broken this way.

03-10-2007, 12:19 AM	#231 (permalink)
r.gun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 515 -2 Internets	I agree with Duppin. The Vanguard threads on this forum are generally filled with posts from the same group of naysayers, saying the same shit over, and over, and over... I'm surprised Brad still even posts here with so much bullshit circle jerking going on. I don't even read the threads anymore, I just go to Silkyvenom and check the dev post track - it's much more informative and I don't have to sift through 25 posts from the same 4 people in order to find an ounce of information. With that said, I have been playing Vanguard pretty regularly with some friends of mine and we're having a blast. I don't read into patch notes like I'm studying for an exam, and I am not rushing to be at the bleeding edge of content but I'm having fun just running through dungeons with some solid players. People get way to upset about nerfs and shit like that - my suggestion is to just play the game, and enjoy it, don't stress out about nerfs. Last edited by r.gun; 03-10-2007 at 12:21 AM..

03-10-2007, 02:29 AM	#234 (permalink)
Hardcore Cracka Majestik Moose Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,614	imo name those 4-5 people so we can crucify them and move on __________________

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03-09-2007, 10:40 PM	#226 (permalink)
Duppin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,714	Man, whatever. Let the VANGUARD SUX LOL e-circlejerk go on unhindered, I guess.

03-09-2007, 10:46 PM	#227 (permalink)
Drtyrm Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: The River Posts: 620 -1 Internets	He shilled his game hard during the NDA. Then he disappeared pretty much. His posts have not even 5% of the content you get from Nino. Is it surprising why he is getting this sort of reaction? Nice of you to post Brad, but these could be gaming company magazine interviews, for all the real content they possess.

03-10-2007, 12:09 AM	#230 (permalink)
Mythas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 308 -11 Internets	So i leveled a bit with my necro, now sitting pretty at 17. To the poster who told me to stick in there with the graft thing you were right. Now i have my max amount for level 15 and about 3 for level 20. The bugs are still there, but in reality for my class aren't game breaking and manageable. I have lost a total of 3 corpses exp wise one from getting raped by snapjaw trying to cross the river ( couldn't find tombstone on this one, looked for 20 mins and gave up / decided it poofed ) and two others due to chunking / going ld and getting killed. In the end, no big deal just about 10 mins of exp and your right as rain. One thing i would like to make a positive comment about is the community. I play on flamehammer and am currently leveling in Qualia. Tonight i was in a ToD group and /ooc had a good conversation going about gaming in general. My group was hamming it up in chat just a good time. I think one of the nice things about vanguard is that is has more of a mature / experienced gaming audience. Sure, we have our tards and whiners but for the most part people are really cool. Its something i felt every game since eq has lacked, and something that wow never ever could dream of having * due to proliferation of tards* On a different note to whole brad v/ foh board. I realize that your team has many different talents. I understand you have artists / music duders / programmers / wtf ever but don't expect us to believe that the guy that makes quests can't help QA a melee damage change. I know the people you hire aren't retards. Just like many have said the point is, you said you were going to do something, your team didn't follow through. Yes, your line of work is a "game" but none the less you do have "customers" that pay for your product. Now, a great many of them myself included would like to continue paying for your product. Fact of the matter is we don't like being told one thing and getting something else instead. People are and always will be pissed when thier class gets a nerf. Save for something really outlandish. Fixes / balances / nerfs are something that every player has come to terms with. However when only one person from the "team" ( the allstar with the nerfbat ) shows up for game day well the fans don't like it too well. What it looks like to us is take rangers for example your portion of the team that does class work adjusted range damage but /lol forgot to look into dex affecting ranged damage like it should. Its "adjusting damage on some abilites" but being retarded and not "fixing the BROKEN abilities you have in game too" I believe that your team is doing everything in thier power to fix things in game. I have no doubt in my mind. Just don't come here and get upset when people are upset because you and your team didn't deliver. In my opinion the only people you have to be upset with is your team. You have to look and see how they dropped the ball. FFS not only did they leave out items on the patch notes but forgot or didn't put some of the items in that were supposed to be there. I love the fact that we get the word straight from the horses mouth here. I think everyone does its amazing that this board has this privledge. Just buck up, admit you messed up and get your shit together.

03-10-2007, 08:36 AM	#238 (permalink)
Drednots Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 161	Game is enjoyable so far overall what pisses me off to no end are these healing 2dot mobs that take me 10 minutes to kill. If you guys are gonna nerf my disc's dps fine, but adjust these unlimited energy pool npcs that cant be interupted and I gotta watch them heal over and over and over. Either give us an interupt ability or put a limit on their energy pool. Would not be as ticked if it was a 3 dot+ but its a 2 dot npc. Example: Red sparrow quest line in Southwatch.