[EVE] The War Thread - Page 5

ZyrKx · 02-12-2007, 02:42 AM

Once a POS is put into reinforced a timer comes up above it showing how long it will be invulnerable for. So the sieging force pack away their dreads and schedule another op for whenever it comes out of reinforced.

Malakriss · 02-12-2007, 02:44 AM

You shoot it until it goes into reinforced, then it's basically invulnerable as long as it has fuel. Once fuel runs out the POS comes out of reinforced and you can finish it off.

Basically this is to counteract for time-zone differences or the fact people have to go to work/school. They'll be able to shoot the POSes to reinforced on Monday during your typical work hours, but they won't be able to have free reign running around completely destroying them unopposed.

Xequecal · 02-12-2007, 02:50 AM

So there's no way to short circuit the process and defend the station earlier? My link says you can't add fuel to a reinforced station. So if it has 36 hours of fuel in it, it's going to automatically drain all that and come out of reinforced 36 hours later, no matter what the defenders do? Even if their "optimal" time to stage a defense is, say, 24 hours later instead?

Sancus · 02-12-2007, 02:53 AM

Yes. That's why properly managing your stront is important, and when you fuck it up its disastrous.

Chinaman889 · 02-12-2007, 04:20 AM

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Yes. That's why properly managing your stront is important, and when you fuck it up its disastrous.

Brings to mind a certain alliance who's no longer in Scalding Pass...

Bottle · 02-12-2007, 07:20 AM

I can tell you a bit of what's going on in the North.

D2 came in pretty heavy on Friday. (I logged in to find a pile of hostiles camping my station)

We couldn't do much but scout systems and saw piles of freighters from D2 moving into YZ.

At first it appeared that D2 was intent on blobbing their way through Fountain Core. We couldn't get any small fleet engagements and don't have much of a capital ship fleet so we sat with the rest of the Core denizens and waited to see what D2 was up to.

Late Friday night (NA timezone) it was apparent that D2 was going to go for the Xelas station in PNQY-Y. As much as it begrudges me to fight along side Xelas it is our home.

Saturday. Fix came up north. Aftermath, Corelum, and Xelas worked with them to come up with a plan to defend PNQ.

PNQ is interesting in that one of its gates is within a deadspace mission area and as such you can't use MWD. You also warp to 0km on the gate no matter what. D2 did some whining on the forums claiming the gate was bugged, but they had plenty of warnings about the gate from their own allies in Celas as well as a Xelas member babbling about it in local while a D2 scout was in the system.

We waited for the D2 fleet to jump in. Put up a dictor bubble and had ourselves a good dogfight.

In the end. BoB allies controlled the gate and the loot. What annoys me is how stupid Xelas was (Not surprising) many of their members didn't fight yet they were there like a pack of jackals during the looting. (One day if we win this war I hope BoB turns and punts them out of fountain)

Sunday there was another fleet battle. (I was not part of it) It was pretty even with an edge to D2 as they brought in the Erebus and inflicted some pwnage.

I've noticed D2 has been using smaller gangs and we're getting some small scale battles which is more to our style. We're inflicting more damage then we're taking, but D2 has a lot of ships and money. Its been real fun. The servers have held up surprisingly well and there has been little to no smack in local during these fights. I think everyone in Fountain is having a good time these days.

Bottle · 02-12-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chinaman889

Brings to mind a certain alliance who's no longer in Scalding Pass...

A certain alliance that is fighting along side RA and friends and babbling on the forums as if they were faultless in their weak performance in Scalding Pass a couple months back.

Larion · 02-12-2007, 07:40 AM

D² is currently shaking off the rust and is not really starting to bring it. The rest of the north has not really moved yet and are in the process to do so.

I have flown 5 freighters to a certain system myself (i hate flying freighter it is probably the gayest thing you can do in eve) so we can start some attacks on not yet disclosable systems very soon.

I expect the war really starting in the next weekend when the mobilisation is complete or at least close to complete.

Larion · 02-12-2007, 07:42 AM

BTW i highly doubt that D² will spend much time in fountain.

If they try to take fountain as a "first step to victory" they might as well bend over lol.

I honestly think that they might pick a system, spam POS like crazy and lay an egg in one of BoB's entrance systems. Then stage from there with the whole north.

Bottle · 02-12-2007, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larion

BTW i highly doubt that D² will spend much time in fountain.

If they try to take fountain as a "first step to victory" they might as well bend over lol.

I honestly think that they might pick a system, spam POS like crazy and lay an egg in one of BoB's entrance systems. Then stage from there with the whole north.

I would agree with your assessment. There won't be many glorious victories in the Core and they're are bigger fish to fry for D2 and company.

However, that's where the fighting is atm and I'm just reporting what I've seen.

Elidrin · 02-12-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Inconsiderable

Ships destroyed in the last 24 hours:

JV1V-0: 148
M-RPN3: 142
9-98OU: 198
46DP-0: 110

All 4 System are right next to each other remain under Lotka Volterra Sovereignty. According to some Recon Ship Pilot posting on eve-o, a Doomsday Device was used by a Titan who showed up.

The most uber thing about this war is: more than 20.000 characters are involved, thats sick.

So I'm terribly interested in all this EVE conflict being posted here on the forums, but my ignorant ass has a question. I've heard about Titans, but can you point me in a direction to learn more about what this means in a conflict and what a Doomsday device means in terms of overall power? Who all has Titans and what kind of firepower would you need to bring it down? Again, sorry about the stupid questions I'm sure. Just from the outside looking in this is extremely interesting. I need to get off my ass and resubscribe even if it's extremely casual.

Sancus · 02-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Spaceships of EVE Online - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a pretty good article, Titans are covered near the bottom. The Doomsday can be fired remotely via a cyno, it's possible to tank the damage with a battleship if it has the right fittings, but pretty much anything smaller is going to die, and in reality, most battleships probably will too. It doesn't fire instantaneously, and the cyno has to be dropped, so it is possible to get away when one is fired before the damage hits, but nevertheless it's pretty nasty. It cannot, however, do enough damage to really hurt a carrier or dreadnaught, but capital ships that have their support fleet blown away are not going to be alive for very long.

It's basically impossible to kill a Titan, the ASCN one only died because Cyvok was offline. They can tank a ridiculous amount of damage, and more importantly, are immune to being warp scrambled. The only thing that can prevent it from warping is a bubble, and bubbles currently do not stop you from warping if you initiate the warp before the bubble is placed. There is some argument that you can prevent one from warping by "bumping" it out of alignment with other ships, but this is so ridiculously impractical to do for a long enough time that chances are slim anyone could make it work in the field. They can also just jump drive away, but it is feasible to prevent that with energy draining.

Motherships are practically invincible for the same reasons. If you could catch one away from its support fleet, completely alone, and had a perfect fleet set up to do nothing BUT kill a Titan or Mothership, it might be possible to do so, but the probability is very remote. And you'll only catch such a ship like that due to an act of extreme carelessness.

Elidrin · 02-12-2007, 08:36 AM

Lol wow, Titans and Motherships seem crazy from reading that wikipedia. Great link, thanks Sancus. It seems crazy that a Titan could sit somewhere relatively safe and launch that kind of attack remotely. Very cool stuff. And I guess I was wrong in thinking Titans were the largest ships in the game. Motherships look fucking huge according to that screenshot of all the different ships...

Yirr · 02-12-2007, 09:43 AM

Titan are quite a bit bigger than motherships. Flying next to a titan in a bs makes me feel like I am in a frigate heh. Motherships are just a bit bigger than carriers. Titans can only shoot their Doomsday once an hour I think, they also need a pilot to warp to the enemy and drop a cyno.

Pest · 02-12-2007, 09:44 AM

As long as you know what type of Titan the enemy is fielding you can tank for it pretty easily.

Every battleship will have plenty of slots to fit a suitable tank. I believe this is true with most(all?) of the battlecruisers also but I've only checked on a couple of those. Even some cruisers and assault frigates(lol) can tank it.

The doomsday is big to bring to the battle field but it won't obliterate an enemy fleet that knows it might be coming.

02-12-2007, 02:44 AM	#62 (permalink)
Malakriss GOMTV Contest Winner Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,842	You shoot it until it goes into reinforced, then it's basically invulnerable as long as it has fuel. Once fuel runs out the POS comes out of reinforced and you can finish it off. Basically this is to counteract for time-zone differences or the fact people have to go to work/school. They'll be able to shoot the POSes to reinforced on Monday during your typical work hours, but they won't be able to have free reign running around completely destroying them unopposed. __________________ Last edited by Malakriss; 02-12-2007 at 02:47 AM..

02-12-2007, 02:53 AM	#64 (permalink)
Sancus Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 776	Yes. That's why properly managing your stront is important, and when you fuck it up its disastrous. __________________ Sancus - 80 Mage, Ropetown, Executus.

02-12-2007, 08:24 AM	#72 (permalink)
Sancus Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 776	Spaceships of EVE Online - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's a pretty good article, Titans are covered near the bottom. The Doomsday can be fired remotely via a cyno, it's possible to tank the damage with a battleship if it has the right fittings, but pretty much anything smaller is going to die, and in reality, most battleships probably will too. It doesn't fire instantaneously, and the cyno has to be dropped, so it is possible to get away when one is fired before the damage hits, but nevertheless it's pretty nasty. It cannot, however, do enough damage to really hurt a carrier or dreadnaught, but capital ships that have their support fleet blown away are not going to be alive for very long. It's basically impossible to kill a Titan, the ASCN one only died because Cyvok was offline. They can tank a ridiculous amount of damage, and more importantly, are immune to being warp scrambled. The only thing that can prevent it from warping is a bubble, and bubbles currently do not stop you from warping if you initiate the warp before the bubble is placed. There is some argument that you can prevent one from warping by "bumping" it out of alignment with other ships, but this is so ridiculously impractical to do for a long enough time that chances are slim anyone could make it work in the field. They can also just jump drive away, but it is feasible to prevent that with energy draining. Motherships are practically invincible for the same reasons. If you could catch one away from its support fleet, completely alone, and had a perfect fleet set up to do nothing BUT kill a Titan or Mothership, it might be possible to do so, but the probability is very remote. And you'll only catch such a ship like that due to an act of extreme carelessness. __________________ Sancus - 80 Mage, Ropetown, Executus. Last edited by Sancus; 02-12-2007 at 08:30 AM..

02-12-2007, 08:36 AM	#73 (permalink)
Elidrin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 556	Lol wow, Titans and Motherships seem crazy from reading that wikipedia. Great link, thanks Sancus. It seems crazy that a Titan could sit somewhere relatively safe and launch that kind of attack remotely. Very cool stuff. And I guess I was wrong in thinking Titans were the largest ships in the game. Motherships look fucking huge according to that screenshot of all the different ships... __________________ Avelle Midgardsormr Avelle < Risen > Ner'Zhul - Retired Elidrin 65 Ranger Lanys T'Vyl - Retired

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02-12-2007, 02:42 AM	#61 (permalink)
ZyrKx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46 +0 Internets	Once a POS is put into reinforced a timer comes up above it showing how long it will be invulnerable for. So the sieging force pack away their dreads and schedule another op for whenever it comes out of reinforced.

02-12-2007, 02:50 AM	#63 (permalink)
Xequecal Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,744 -27 Internets	So there's no way to short circuit the process and defend the station earlier? My link says you can't add fuel to a reinforced station. So if it has 36 hours of fuel in it, it's going to automatically drain all that and come out of reinforced 36 hours later, no matter what the defenders do? Even if their "optimal" time to stage a defense is, say, 24 hours later instead?

02-12-2007, 07:20 AM	#66 (permalink)
Bottle Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 844 +3 Internets	I can tell you a bit of what's going on in the North. D2 came in pretty heavy on Friday. (I logged in to find a pile of hostiles camping my station) We couldn't do much but scout systems and saw piles of freighters from D2 moving into YZ. At first it appeared that D2 was intent on blobbing their way through Fountain Core. We couldn't get any small fleet engagements and don't have much of a capital ship fleet so we sat with the rest of the Core denizens and waited to see what D2 was up to. Late Friday night (NA timezone) it was apparent that D2 was going to go for the Xelas station in PNQY-Y. As much as it begrudges me to fight along side Xelas it is our home. Saturday. Fix came up north. Aftermath, Corelum, and Xelas worked with them to come up with a plan to defend PNQ. PNQ is interesting in that one of its gates is within a deadspace mission area and as such you can't use MWD. You also warp to 0km on the gate no matter what. D2 did some whining on the forums claiming the gate was bugged, but they had plenty of warnings about the gate from their own allies in Celas as well as a Xelas member babbling about it in local while a D2 scout was in the system. We waited for the D2 fleet to jump in. Put up a dictor bubble and had ourselves a good dogfight. In the end. BoB allies controlled the gate and the loot. What annoys me is how stupid Xelas was (Not surprising) many of their members didn't fight yet they were there like a pack of jackals during the looting. (One day if we win this war I hope BoB turns and punts them out of fountain) Sunday there was another fleet battle. (I was not part of it) It was pretty even with an edge to D2 as they brought in the Erebus and inflicted some pwnage. I've noticed D2 has been using smaller gangs and we're getting some small scale battles which is more to our style. We're inflicting more damage then we're taking, but D2 has a lot of ships and money. Its been real fun. The servers have held up surprisingly well and there has been little to no smack in local during these fights. I think everyone in Fountain is having a good time these days.

02-12-2007, 07:40 AM	#68 (permalink)
Larion Does not post pictures for religious reasons! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 651 -51 Internets	D² is currently shaking off the rust and is not really starting to bring it. The rest of the north has not really moved yet and are in the process to do so. I have flown 5 freighters to a certain system myself (i hate flying freighter it is probably the gayest thing you can do in eve) so we can start some attacks on not yet disclosable systems very soon. I expect the war really starting in the next weekend when the mobilisation is complete or at least close to complete.

02-12-2007, 07:42 AM	#69 (permalink)
Larion Does not post pictures for religious reasons! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 651 -51 Internets	BTW i highly doubt that D² will spend much time in fountain. If they try to take fountain as a "first step to victory" they might as well bend over lol. I honestly think that they might pick a system, spam POS like crazy and lay an egg in one of BoB's entrance systems. Then stage from there with the whole north.

02-12-2007, 09:43 AM	#74 (permalink)
Yirr Spaceship > Elf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 264 +0 Internets	Titan are quite a bit bigger than motherships. Flying next to a titan in a bs makes me feel like I am in a frigate heh. Motherships are just a bit bigger than carriers. Titans can only shoot their Doomsday once an hour I think, they also need a pilot to warp to the enemy and drop a cyno.

02-12-2007, 09:44 AM	#75 (permalink)
Pest Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 234 -3 Internets	As long as you know what type of Titan the enemy is fielding you can tank for it pretty easily. Every battleship will have plenty of slots to fit a suitable tank. I believe this is true with most(all?) of the battlecruisers also but I've only checked on a couple of those. Even some cruisers and assault frigates(lol) can tank it. The doomsday is big to bring to the battle field but it won't obliterate an enemy fleet that knows it might be coming.