[EVE] The War Thread

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Bizanich

Allegedly, BoB retaliated and used 4 titans to bowl and knock an enemy Carrier out.

The whole idiocy of the Devs allowing the two sides to escalate something like this and forcing their hand instead of them dealing with it initially really reduces my opinion of the Devs.

I don't think they did - an RA carrier died (so I read) to supercaps while shield boosting one of our POSes, but none got bumped out. Perhaps that's nitpicking anyway.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Dildo Faggins

Theres one reason and one reason alone that bob is winning. Their allies are happy and work together. The goon/RA allies do it out of fear for what will happen to them if RA suspects they want complexes.

I would attribute recent bob successes to things other than "their allies are happy and work together." Pound for pound bob is the best group of pvpers in terms of sp+skill+funds+commanding officers. They can fly expensive shit extremely well and they can lose it without having trouble getting another one. It might be nice to have their allies flying with them but that is nowhere near the reason they have been pushing forward and if you believe otherwise than you're pretty delusional.

Also, lollin' at the ra allies afraid of complex blahblah.

edit: YW's continued existence in the north is partially due to the fact that when they switched sides and everyone pounded them in cloud ring, they essentially disappeared. Dropping off the radar and keeping low for a week made everyone head back home. We had some fun when it first started beating the crap out of them as they evacuated, but after that it was a ghost town and no one cared enough to stay. Pretty cowardly act at first glance but it was a smart move regardless of if they intended it that way.

[Lorrac]

eve is degenerating into an exploit-fiesta clusterfuck - i ve seen poses come out of reinforced and instantly regenerate to full... guess alts in shuttles get a 500% bonus to shield transfer.

[Manticore]

Originally Posted by Cedric

I would attribute recent bob successes to things other than "their allies are happy and work together." Pound for pound bob is the best group of pvpers in terms of sp+skill+funds+commanding officers. They can fly expensive shit extremely well and they can lose it without having trouble getting another one. It might be nice to have their allies flying with them but that is nowhere near the reason they have been pushing forward and if you believe otherwise than you're pretty delusional.

Indeed, don't delude yourself into thinking that BoB's allies fighting in the North has nothing to do with relieving them from fighting on two fronts and instead being able to focus entirely on the South

[Bizanich]

Originally Posted by Lorrac

eve is degenerating into an exploit-fiesta clusterfuck - i ve seen poses come out of reinforced and instantly regenerate to full... guess alts in shuttles get a 500% bonus to shield transfer.

I hate saying something like this, but they need to stop adding new stuff and go around with the nerfbat and start swinging.

Mudflation is getting out of control and is actually approaching the point of negating the use of entire ship classes in Alliance warfare.

Small groups are okay, but it won't be too too long til Carriers and such get common even in Syndicate or Providence (if they're not already).

[Tolanin]

Originally Posted by Bizanich

I hate saying something like this, but they need to stop adding new stuff and go around with the nerfbat and start swinging.

Mudflation is getting out of control and is actually approaching the point of negating the use of entire ship classes in Alliance warfare.

Small groups are okay, but it won't be too too long til Carriers and such get common even in Syndicate or Providence (if they're not already).

Carriers will get more common but they are expensive and fleets still use lots of conventional ships, everything is still needed from hacs to intys to bs... some ship classes arent good in fleets but its always been that way... pretty much all the T2 ships are still used heavily. I dont think you will ever see the day that snipers arent needed, and cov ops will always be needed, as will light and heavy tacklers, as will dictors, as will command ships... its starting to look like logistics ships will get a bigger role soon.

Everyone seems to forget that caps cost 10x what a conventional ship does... you might camp a gate in a carrier but thats a huge juicy target and people will go to pains to kill you. During LVs stay in stain we spent alot of time going around low sec killing carrier gate camps, its really easy to kill them, carriers are prolly easier than a BS to pin down... and it stings to lose them no matter how rich you are. No alliance can afford to lose a few carriers a day.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Bizanich

I hate saying something like this, but they need to stop adding new stuff and go around with the nerfbat and start swinging.

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[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Manticore

Indeed, don't delude yourself into thinking that BoB's allies fighting in the North has nothing to do with relieving them from fighting on two fronts and instead being able to focus entirely on the South

Well since apparently a paper bag is capable of defending most of the northern attacks I don't really think they're being relieved of much on the northern side, barring MM.

[Dildo Faggins]

Originally Posted by Cedric

I would attribute recent bob successes to things other than "their allies are happy and work together." Pound for pound bob is the best group of pvpers in terms of sp+skill+funds+commanding officers. They can fly expensive shit extremely well and they can lose it without having trouble getting another one. It might be nice to have their allies flying with them but that is nowhere near the reason they have been pushing forward and if you believe otherwise than you're pretty delusional.

But bob isnt fighting in the north. Was kinda my point.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Dildo Faggins

But bob isnt fighting in the north. Was kinda my point.

If the reports are to be taken at face value there isn't much to fight anyways.

[Chinaman889]

Just to give an idea about the South BoB "helping" each other bit - the southern intel channel always has at least some of the bob pet/allies x'ing up to help BoB out - especially during this siege on 9-9. Intel is almost passed routinely about any hostile movements etc.

[Tripamang]

This is probably a mistake but what the fuck, might as well post my feelings on the subject.

I see BoB taking over the majority of Eve before the summer is out, I don't see Goons standing in the way as much as they like to think they will. Goons just aren't the power they try and make themselves out as, they are inexperienced, they lack good fleet commanders and they have little to no control or consistency in their performance. They rely on numbers and as the game is progressing towards anti-blob warfare their one trick pony is going out the window, and they haven't proven themselves good at adapting. A lot of their mentality is that the more people they have the more powerful they are therefore they should win, and they don't adapt well to something that contradicts this (see Titans).

Goons won't be able to hold back BoB, BoB is going to rip into RA's cap fleet and as RA bleeds it won't be long before they just simply crumble. BoB will set their clocks for fleet fights at whatever time is necessary, they will show the same level of dedication that RA does and they are a much larger force. It's just a matter of time, and you can quote me in 40 pages when I'm sure this is all coming to a close.

I don't think BoB winning is good for Eve, but then again there is 4 hostile POS's sitting in my capital system that I'd like to see removed. This puts me on the edge of wanting to see a really good drawn out war while seeing the people who hope to take my space crushed and driven before me Peace in Eve is boring and there needs to be a force to at least hold BoB at bay, and there just isn't one right now.

Hopefully from the ashes of fallen alliances something more organized arises.

[Yirr]

What happened to the coalition that pushed LV out? I know Curse Alliance kinda fell apart, I have heard because Xirtam has some RL issues...but I really don't know...are they just a total non-factor now? If so, why? Did they lose their important corps?

What about TCF? I rarely hear about these guys anymore, let alone see them. They seemed to have a fair amount of capitols when they were pushing LV out. Where are they and what are they doing?

I know RA and Smash/Roadkill had a diplomatic breakdown awhile ago, but I remember them in LV territory a lot, is the coalition missing their contributions at all?

IAC...do they help in the coalition at all now? They have to have a sizeable cap fleet, do they ever use it?

After being in LV when we were getting pushed out, I thought that all of the above alliances made a deadly powerbloc...but what happened? It seemed like they had great communication back than and I am just wondering why they don't seem to be working together anymore. Was there some behind the scenes type struggles between these alliances that most people don't know about?

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Cedric

If the reports are to be taken at face value there isn't much to fight anyways.

Heh.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Heh.

Yeah I heard a bit after what was happening, I hope it keeps up. Last time it was short-lived. :/