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Vagoo · 02-09-2007, 08:55 AM

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lol you hate vg lololol

we get it. now shut up

i dont have any feelings either way about VG, and i never said anything bad about it. can you deny that the screenshot says 24.6 FPS? right. thats all i commented on. so get fucked.

vynde · 02-09-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FuckYou

i dont have any feelings either way about VG, and i never said anything bad about it. can you deny that the screenshot says 24.6 FPS? right. thats all i commented on. so get fucked.

i also took your comment comparing wow with vg, i just didnt quote it. you appear to be condescending when it comes to vg and thats cool, not everyones gonna like it, but just be up front with with.

Vagoo · 02-09-2007, 09:06 AM

dude, i specifically said in that post "not a slam against vg". sensitivity is a little high around here. enjoy VG - i dont have any problem with it, you, or your enjoyment of it.

vynde · 02-09-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FuckYou

dude, i specifically said in that post "not a slam against vg".

oh sorry. i thought it was sarcasm

Janx · 02-10-2007, 05:15 PM

I've played wow, I've played VG...and WoW still looks better to me because it has personality. VG, to me, is just a bunch of effects thrown on crappy models with even more crappy animations.

kcxiv · 02-10-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Janx

I've played wow, I've played VG...and WoW still looks better to me because it has personality. VG, to me, is just a bunch of effects thrown on crappy models with even more crappy animations.

Perosnality? hmm.. since when?

woqqqa · 02-10-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Perosnality? hmm.. since when?

Since about the time when it came out...having a fairly distinctive art style helps WoW a lot. Vanguard's problem is that instead of being stylized, it tends to go for full realism and suffers from the "uncanny valley" problem where all the models look close to realistic, but have what many people call the mannequin look (almost real, but not quite, which makes them rather disconcerting). Also, the plastic looking sheen on everything doesn't help.

vynde · 02-10-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Janx

I've played wow, I've played VG...and WoW still looks better to me because it has personality. VG, to me, is just a bunch of effects thrown on crappy models with even more crappy animations.

wow its the exact opposite for me. even with vg beta

tomodachi · 02-10-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by woqqqa

Vanguard's problem is that instead of being stylized, it tends to go for full realism and suffers from the "uncanny valley" problem where all the models look close to realistic, but have what many people call the mannequin look (almost real, but not quite, which makes them rather disconcerting). Also, the plastic looking sheen on everything doesn't help.

I worried about this when I saw the first screenshots, then again in beta
prior to new animations being worked in... as it stands though it doesn't
often hit the uncanny valley for me. Faces, I guess, are the big key to the
uncanny valley. For good or bad, I don't really notice the faces in Vanguard.

I do think the emphasis on realism helps the environment a great deal though.
In wow, I appreciated some of the scenery, but usually in the same respect
one might be particularly impressed with the background in a certain scene of
an anime or disney animation. It's impressive, just not breath-taking. VG, on
the other hand, has had more than a handful of truly breath-taking moments
for me.

Personal preference is all, I suppose.

Cynno · 02-10-2007, 07:00 PM

Shameless beg here.

Anyone got a 10-day friend code laying around, I wanted to try VG and see how it would run on my comp.

Blumpster · 02-10-2007, 07:18 PM

Screenshots look like ass. Running around the wood elf city with full AA and everything on the highest setting I still get 15-20fps on my X850 Pro. Only 1gig of ram and an AMD64 running at 2.4ghz. The models look really good in-game and the environments are freaking spectacular.

Now, running with those options enabled in most places would get me killed with my hardware setup. The performance isn't *that* bad. We have to move ahead at one point or another, that goes for end-user hardware just as much as developer graphics. I think the main problem people are experiencing with VG is that it's not just a heavily graphics taxing game, or a beefy memory hog (ala WoW), but it pushes your entire system to the limit. Even if you upgrade your mediocre system, like mine, with an 8800GTX the game will still only play decently. It really is a game that forces some people to upgrade, but they feel like that's a bad thing. Video games are the biggest factor when it comes to designing new PC hardware, and if the software doesn't improve there's no reason for the hardware to improve, and you're doing a disservice to the video game industry and the PC industry by whining and complaining about improved graphics and how they perform so badly on your mediocre machines.

I use a mediocre machine, and no the game doesn't get 40fps like I can get in WoW, but it also has wayyy more potential in the graphics department.

Ameraves Loyalheart · 02-11-2007, 12:18 AM

Well, it didn't take long to turn this thread into another VG vs WoW thread. Thread officially derailed.

Camerous · 02-11-2007, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ameraves Loyalheart

Well, it didn't take long to turn this thread into another VG vs WoW thread. Thread officially derailed.

Are you really surprised? Seems every time a VG thread is started the regular band of tards always come out. I also took FU's comments the same as Vynde but as I sat here and thought about it he really hasn't said all that much about VG. *shrugs* The reason why we are all so sensitive is cause we have had to endure fucktards like Neric, Zhen, and Itzena in every fucking thread about VG over and over again and let's not even get started on the whole Ut saga for months here. Just gets old and a lot of us are sick and fucking tired of it.

vynde · 02-11-2007, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Camerous

Are you really surprised? Seems every time a VG thread is started the regular band of tards always come out. I also took FU's comments the same as Vynde but as I sat here and thought about it he really hasn't said all that much about VG. *shrugs* The reason why we are all so sensitive is cause we have had to endure fucktards like Neric, Zhen, and Itzena in every fucking thread about VG over and over again and let's not even get started on the whole Ut saga for months here. Just gets old and a lot of us are sick and fucking tired of it.

thats pretty much it, i dont really care if someone comes out and says "oh i dont like vanguard because of x" but jabbing at it constantly like itzena makes me sigh. but i did make a mistake wtih fuckyou

Itzena · 02-11-2007, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Camerous

Are you really surprised? Seems every time a VG thread is started the regular band of tards always come out. I also took FU's comments the same as Vynde but as I sat here and thought about it he really hasn't said all that much about VG. *shrugs* The reason why we are all so sensitive is cause we have had to endure fucktards like Neric, Zhen, and Itzena in every fucking thread about VG over and over again and let's not even get started on the whole Ut saga for months here. Just gets old and a lot of us are sick and fucking tired of it.

Hey now, I haven't said much about VG since launch...and most of what I have said is along the lines of "If people are having fun, great. I'm not going to play it though".

02-09-2007, 09:06 AM	#33 (permalink)
Vagoo Fires of Heaven WoW Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,832	dude, i specifically said in that post "not a slam against vg". sensitivity is a little high around here. enjoy VG - i dont have any problem with it, you, or your enjoyment of it. __________________ the artist formerly known as FuckYou PAL \| DRU \| WLK \| DK \| ROG fires of heaven \| patchtimer.org

02-10-2007, 05:15 PM	#35 (permalink)
Janx Mr. Pibb + Redvines = crazy delicious Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Near Memphis Posts: 630 -4 Internets	I've played wow, I've played VG...and WoW still looks better to me because it has personality. VG, to me, is just a bunch of effects thrown on crappy models with even more crappy animations. __________________ Janxs of The Fabled - Hyjal

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Cynno Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 794 -39 Internets	hmm Shameless beg here. Anyone got a 10-day friend code laying around, I wanted to try VG and see how it would run on my comp.

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02-10-2007, 07:18 PM	#41 (permalink)
Blumpster . Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 2,306 +13 Internets	Screenshots look like ass. Running around the wood elf city with full AA and everything on the highest setting I still get 15-20fps on my X850 Pro. Only 1gig of ram and an AMD64 running at 2.4ghz. The models look really good in-game and the environments are freaking spectacular. Now, running with those options enabled in most places would get me killed with my hardware setup. The performance isn't that bad. We have to move ahead at one point or another, that goes for end-user hardware just as much as developer graphics. I think the main problem people are experiencing with VG is that it's not just a heavily graphics taxing game, or a beefy memory hog (ala WoW), but it pushes your entire system to the limit. Even if you upgrade your mediocre system, like mine, with an 8800GTX the game will still only play decently. It really is a game that forces some people to upgrade, but they feel like that's a bad thing. Video games are the biggest factor when it comes to designing new PC hardware, and if the software doesn't improve there's no reason for the hardware to improve, and you're doing a disservice to the video game industry and the PC industry by whining and complaining about improved graphics and how they perform so badly on your mediocre machines. I use a mediocre machine, and no the game doesn't get 40fps like I can get in WoW, but it also has wayyy more potential in the graphics department.

02-11-2007, 12:18 AM	#42 (permalink)
Ameraves Loyalheart Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 1,184	Well, it didn't take long to turn this thread into another VG vs WoW thread. Thread officially derailed.