Warriors, lvl 70 but now what?

[darksensei]

Has anyone heard any plans to help the warrior class now? Before the expansion they kept telling us to wait for lvl 70 to balance it out, it isn't. The class is interesting because some aspects are fine imo, pve balance in particular doesn't bug me and prot spec is good. PVP though we're completely fubar. I don't think the warrior class was meant to be burst dps and be one of the more fragile of all classes (plate armor helps very little and we take 10% more damage because many good pvp skills are in berserker stance).

Spell reflect is good but rage is too high, instead there should be a cooldown and lower rage cost imo. (If you're in berserker stance and shift with 3/3 tactical master you have enough rage for shield reflect with no rage left over for anything putting you back at that classes mercy until you can get in range and/or take more damage)

If intervene was meant to be our saving grace pvp skill, fuck it Blizzard doesn't have a clue. Warriors are sick of being the class that rocks at 2v1!

I won't throw out any suggestions here, but I'm hoping somebody knows more than I do on the chances we'll receive a major overhaul because there is no quick fix to the fine line between op and awful.

[Quineloe]

Rocking at 2v2 isn't good enough for you either I guess?

[Elidrin]

It's already been stated that no classes will received further "major overhauls" by I think Nethaera, can't remember the blue poster that stated this. They will be adding minor tweaks here and there though. In any case, why exactly are Warriors fubared? Are you just upset that you aren't a strong 1v1 class? From what I've seen and experienced Warriors do fine in group PvP conflicts.

[Hozz]

I dont see the best Arena teams featuring Warriors, but I guess we'll see.

My biggest irritant about being a Protection Warrior is I feel like Feral Druids can do nearly everything I can do, and a whole fuck ton more. Swipe is simply better than anything multi-target we get out of defensive, so they are much better at tanking multiple mobs. I am a better boss tank, thats it. Bears out DPS me. Cats really out DPS me. Feral Druids, with a +heal set, can even capably heal in many situations thanks to HoW giving them an extremely deep mana pool. I know the class is supposed to be versatile but I think the Feral spec is too versatile and we not versatile enough (ie Prot Wars tank and thats it), or not good enough (see above, Druids and Paladins are both better multi mob tanks) at our primary focus. I would settle for one of the two changes.

Dont get me wrong I can still pick and choose my 5-man groups due to tanks in general being so few and far between, and like I said Prot Wars are still the best boss tanks due to Defensive+Shield Block. But Feral is crazy good and Protection Warriors need to be better IMO.

I think they need to take Spell Reflection off of the GCD and put Thunderclap usable in Defensive.

As someone who was boned by Garr for over a year, it also annoys me that TF is still the best tank weapon in the game.

[Warrian]

Warriors are still being looked at. It's already been said that once more warriors are level 70 with more of the "uber" gear, they're going to do their checks and balances. Someone above mentioned that no major overhauls will be done to any classes, which may be true. But the thing is, a small tweak to the warriors can make a world of difference. I'm pretty sure they're going to do something with Rampage since it's a 41 point talent that's absolutely worthless in PvP (And imo sucks ass in PvE as well; for a 41 point talent). I've also noticed there's going to be high end gear out there with a set bonus that decreases the rage costs of an ability (I've already seen a bonus that decreases the costs of Bloodthirst by -5), so that should have some as well.

I know this a topic on warriors, but I think this is somewhat related. Warriors aren't the only class that got fucked -- Rogues got bent over hard as well IMO. In a lot of heroic level instances, bosses will do insane AE damage which fucks over any melee class. Did anyone notice that there wasn't a single rogue in the DnT screenshot of them downing Nightbane? Also, has anyone noticed how there's really no good enchants for melee? Hell, I'm wearing a BLUE helm right now that is better than the T4/T5 helms. What sense does that make? Are they serious?

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Hozz

I dont see the best Arena teams featuring Warriors, but I guess we'll see.

At the current state of the game, this is absolutely true.

Originally Posted by Hozz

My biggest irritant about being a Protection Warrior is I feel like Feral Druids can do nearly everything I can do, and a whole fuck ton more.

I can't remember where I read it or I would post the link. I saw a blue post saying that down the road when warriors pick up the monster tanking gear, feral druids will be unable to tank (They'll get assraped). At the moment, you're right, feral druids with some good tanking leather gear will be a better choice.

[Hozz]

Waiting on gear post-Karazhan to balance the class? That is fucking retarded since 90% of the people playing the game today arent going to have seen the end of Karazhan in a year unless they make it easier, I dont think. And I dont see how gear is going to give us more multi-target threat and a magical 30% more DPS vs a Bear, unless there is some kind of new TF hiding someplace. The issues I am talking about are Prot War vs Feral Bear. There is no balance there and better armor isnt going to resolve it.

I agree Rogues got fucked in PvE. They are always my last choice to fill the DPS role. They need a lot more utility in a group but I dont know really have any idea how to give it to them w/o some kind of brand new feature for the class like Auras or something.

[Wodin]

We're not that bad in Karazhan at least, and while I've not done Heroic Arc yet(and yes, I am aware of precisely how much that's going to suck) we're certainly not horrible for the available raid content. Gruul is a burn fight, Maulgar we're useful for DPS+interrupts even if we can't DPS the asshole firemage ogre.

I'm definitely not happy, but I'm not miserable either.

We did have a rather depressing happenstance in Kara, though - we had me, a feral druid, and a warrior on Maiden. The warrior got a decent headstart because we weren't sure that we could arrange three people to avoid the lasers correctly and still be in melee range, and the feral druid still ended up overtaking him in threat.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Hozz

Waiting on gear post-Karazhan to balance the class? That is fucking retarded since 90% of the people playing the game today arent going to have seen the end of Karazhan in a year unless they make it easier, I dont think.

I guess they don't want the remaining 10% to be a wrecking ball if they make changes right now, who knows. For all we know, that CM could have been talking out of his ass.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Wodin

We did have a rather depressing happenstance in Kara, though - we had me, a feral druid, and a warrior on Maiden. The warrior got a decent headstart because we weren't sure that we could arrange three people to avoid the lasers correctly and still be in melee range, and the feral druid still ended up overtaking him in threat.

Was the warrior protection spec?

[Wodin]

Originally Posted by Warrian

Was the warrior protection spec?

Yep. The druid did have a fair bit of epic gear, the +feral AP weapon, and full Feral Instinct though.

[Elidrin]

I don't mind Warriors getting a buff in tanking, imho there should be no contest when tanking between Prot warriors and feral druids. I was just arguing that PvP wise they seem fine, which is what the OP's point was.

[copernic]

I wish to everything they would give Warriors a decent multi-mob threat ability. Blizzard designed these instances with 4-5 mob pulls, and while good CC is expected, it's still ridiculous that Warriors would be mediocre at the NORMAL tanking situation of 3+ mobs. Druids are the best at it, and Paladins a close second.

I hate it especially because I PuG a fair bit. (Pally) Right now the good tanks (rare) hit Demo Shout and Thunderclap to build some aggro, but that's the limit of their abilities, and doesn't help them get ahead on single-target aggro for whatever the Rogue is beating on. It also breaks CC. The crap tanks don't even bother, and thus just beat on one single guy, maybe try to taunt another.

What ends up happening is that I Pally Taunt two mobs off the healer. Then I consecrate, because otherwise they'll go right back. Two mobs beat the hell out of me because I'm not Prot-geared or specced. Then the sheep breaks.

Anyway, put Challenging Shout on a one minute timer, at minimum, and put Whirlwind in Prot.

[Darph]

Most FOH warriors rerolled: Warlocks, Hunters, Paladins.

I was stupid enough to stick it out, but playing purely as dps now. Druids can tank. :-/

Warriors suck, make bloodthirst heal us like Vampiric Embrace.

[Fayvren]

As a prot warrior I rarely have problems holding 3 maybe four targets on myself. Between shield slam, taunt, revenge and concussion blow as your initial starter aggro abilities u should have enough time to buidl up substantial aggro that the mobs ur not fighting dont run after the healer. I only use demo shout for initial aggro to buidl rage but then its pointless to use after that, more effective to just cycle abiltiies across mobs.

Generally what I do is bloodrage then shield slam my first target, taunt the second and sunder the third. Shield slam should hold sufficient aggro that you can just keep shield slamming the first target while using sunders and revenge on the second and third to hold them on you.

once all three are stuck cleave works generally pretty well to maintain. Prot warriors have enough tools to keep things off of the rest of the party as is.