Should guilds on Russsian servers get a free transfer?

needraRZ · 02-01-2007, 01:34 AM

Summary for those with ADD:
Russians have made our server an unofficial Russian speaking server and we cant communicate with (hardly) anyone outside our guild. Has anyone managed a free Migrate under these circumstances?

Full story:

This post is more of a query to see if anyone has been in a similar situation to myself and if they ever managed to get a resolution to the problem.

Our guild was originally on Skullcrusher, which had a great community but eventually had huge ques and crushing lag. We were given the option of a free migrate and took it. The new server was great, zero ques, and no lag. Unfortunatly Russians used the news server as an unofficial Russian server and now about 80%+ or more of the people we come across speak Russian only.

A lot of the guys are cool, and its possible to run instances etc, but not understanding what the strategy is for a certain encounter or trying to trade with a window full of crylic characters is a bit fustrating. Even more so now that the 5 man dungeons can be pretty tricky, you can't get away with not being able to communicate strategy.

It was bearable till recently, when the last remaning big english speaking guild
forked up the $$ to ship out. Now not only are we further in the english speaking minority but its getting more and more difficult to find new members.

Anyone had a similar experience? Should Blizzard offer us a free migrate? A paid migration isnt an option for us, as several members have a bunch of alts and not everyone can afford the cost.

Drauk · 02-01-2007, 02:13 AM

Well, what can i say - you should have better researched where are you going (Stonemaul-EU, right?)
I just don't see any grounds for Blizzard to offer you free transfer. It's not Blizzard fault that russians have chosen that server, or that they don't speak English. You might have a tiny chance if you can proof that your guild is being abused and treated disrespectfully. Other than that - tough luck.

needraRZ · 02-01-2007, 03:43 AM

Yeah, thats what we figure.

We did plently of research and knew the risks. And personally I'd rather have a lot of russian speakers than 50 minutes ques and raid destroying lag. That doesnt mean we should have to settle for it tho.

Didnt imagine there would be a president for getting a transfer but worth checking.

Manticore · 02-01-2007, 04:02 AM

should have used to opportunity to move to emeriss or use the PCT like all the hardcore guilds on skullcrusher did :>

Zarcath · 02-01-2007, 04:54 AM

racist!

but seriously, why does blizzard owe you anything?

Magic Juan · 02-01-2007, 04:55 AM

I am more surprised that Blizzard hasn't open up servers on all corners of the world. Guess world domination takes time.

Zarcath · 02-01-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Juan

I am more surprised that Blizzard hasn't open up servers on all corners of the world. Guess world domination takes time.

might have to do with logistics/licensing/rights? Don't know how much say Blizzard has in distribution of their product. Wouldn't VU handle all of that?

Drauk · 02-01-2007, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Juan

I am more surprised that Blizzard hasn't open up servers on all corners of the world. Guess world domination takes time.

You do realize than simply "opening" is not a real option ? They need to properly localize WoW for that region and more importantly provide CS on local language. Thats a whole of work and multitude of issues to solve, including legal. That's just not feasible, unless you are speaking about some serious market.
My rough estimation (based on statistics on largest russian WoW forum) is that there is about 50k russian-speaking persons playing WoW. Drop in a bucket, compared to other potential markets.

Faille · 02-01-2007, 05:10 AM

They could still do prefered servers without the need for localisation

Drauk · 02-01-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Faille

They could still do prefered servers without the need for localisation

Well, yes, but what purpose does that serves ? Ethnic communities are pretty good at organizing themselves, i'm sure there is unofficial Finnish, Italian, etc servers.
With player base Blizzard have all they would get from such move is outcries about creating ghettos for players.

rukidding · 02-01-2007, 05:37 AM

Is there an unofficial spanish server? I'd like to work on my spanish. Seriously.

Manticore · 02-01-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rukidding

Is there an unofficial spanish server? I'd like to work on my spanish. Seriously.

they have their own servers now, opened a few months ago

Dildo Faggins · 02-01-2007, 09:27 AM

If you immerse yourself in a language, it takes about 2 months to learn it in my experience. You can get common lingo down much faster. Im talking passive immersion here (4-6 hrs/day without your native language). I know you can learn languages faster with total immersion.

Working a job with some guys who spoke only spanish, it took about a week to learn the basic working commands and very basic conversational, at a month i was fluent with everything to do with work, and at 2 months I was mostly fluent with spanish as a whole and completely fluent with anything remotely related to work. I consider myself fluent, because even if i do come by a word i dont really know, i can usually figure it out on the fly just from the sentence.

Xerrot · 02-01-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dildo Faggins

Working a job with some guys who spoke only spanish, it took about a week to learn the basic working commands and very basic conversational, at a month i was fluent with everything to do with work, and at 2 months I was mostly fluent with spanish as a whole and completely fluent with anything remotely related to work. I consider myself fluent, because even if i do come by a word i dont really know, i can usually figure it out on the fly just from the sentence.

I'm a Puerto Rican, Spanish is my native language, that is exactly how I learned English. I used to type worst than a BNet noob when I started MMO's (EQOA), with the help of my guildies. Eventually I ended up being a raid elder in the top guild of the server, heh, who would've thought?

If you really want to stay in the server you can dedicate yourself to learn Russian, just don't be afraid to ask on spelling of certain words and you'll learn pretty quick.

PS. Manticore's signature makes me laught everytime, lol.

Elidrin · 02-01-2007, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerrot

I'm a Puerto Rican, Spanish is my native language, that is exactly how I learned English. I used to type worst than a BNet noob when I started MMO's (EQOA), with the help of my guildies. Eventually I ended up being a raid elder in the top guild of the server, heh, who would've thought?

If you really want to stay in the server you can dedicate yourself to learn Russian, just don't be afraid to ask on spelling of certain words and you'll learn pretty quick.

PS. Manticore's signature makes me laught everytime, lol.

Off topic but your english is pretty damn good! Few minor typos/spelling errors but a lot better than my spanish for sure.

02-01-2007, 01:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
needraRZ Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 162 +0 Internets	Should guilds on Russsian servers get a free transfer? Summary for those with ADD: Russians have made our server an unofficial Russian speaking server and we cant communicate with (hardly) anyone outside our guild. Has anyone managed a free Migrate under these circumstances? Full story: This post is more of a query to see if anyone has been in a similar situation to myself and if they ever managed to get a resolution to the problem. Our guild was originally on Skullcrusher, which had a great community but eventually had huge ques and crushing lag. We were given the option of a free migrate and took it. The new server was great, zero ques, and no lag. Unfortunatly Russians used the news server as an unofficial Russian server and now about 80%+ or more of the people we come across speak Russian only. A lot of the guys are cool, and its possible to run instances etc, but not understanding what the strategy is for a certain encounter or trying to trade with a window full of crylic characters is a bit fustrating. Even more so now that the 5 man dungeons can be pretty tricky, you can't get away with not being able to communicate strategy. It was bearable till recently, when the last remaning big english speaking guild forked up the $$ to ship out. Now not only are we further in the english speaking minority but its getting more and more difficult to find new members. Anyone had a similar experience? Should Blizzard offer us a free migrate? A paid migration isnt an option for us, as several members have a bunch of alts and not everyone can afford the cost.

02-01-2007, 02:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Drauk Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 686 -1 Internets	Well, what can i say - you should have better researched where are you going (Stonemaul-EU, right?) I just don't see any grounds for Blizzard to offer you free transfer. It's not Blizzard fault that russians have chosen that server, or that they don't speak English. You might have a tiny chance if you can proof that your guild is being abused and treated disrespectfully. Other than that - tough luck. __________________ God to Earth: “Cry more, noobs!” Last edited by Drauk : 02-01-2007 at 02:18 AM.

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Zarcath Read Farmer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 5,229 +19 Internets	racist! but seriously, why does blizzard owe you anything? __________________

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Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,659 +13 Internets	They could still do prefered servers without the need for localisation __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

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02-01-2007, 03:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
needraRZ Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 162 +0 Internets	Yeah, thats what we figure. We did plently of research and knew the risks. And personally I'd rather have a lot of russian speakers than 50 minutes ques and raid destroying lag. That doesnt mean we should have to settle for it tho. Didnt imagine there would be a president for getting a transfer but worth checking.

02-01-2007, 04:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Manticore Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 231 +0 Internets	should have used to opportunity to move to emeriss or use the PCT like all the hardcore guilds on skullcrusher did :>

02-01-2007, 04:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
Magic Juan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 126 +0 Internets	I am more surprised that Blizzard hasn't open up servers on all corners of the world. Guess world domination takes time.

02-01-2007, 05:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
rukidding Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 186 -1 Internets	Is there an unofficial spanish server? I'd like to work on my spanish. Seriously.

02-01-2007, 09:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Dildo Faggins Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,266 -64 Internets	If you immerse yourself in a language, it takes about 2 months to learn it in my experience. You can get common lingo down much faster. Im talking passive immersion here (4-6 hrs/day without your native language). I know you can learn languages faster with total immersion. Working a job with some guys who spoke only spanish, it took about a week to learn the basic working commands and very basic conversational, at a month i was fluent with everything to do with work, and at 2 months I was mostly fluent with spanish as a whole and completely fluent with anything remotely related to work. I consider myself fluent, because even if i do come by a word i dont really know, i can usually figure it out on the fly just from the sentence.