VG sales numbers

[Duppin]

Originally Posted by vurt

That doesn't make it okay. Fanboism is annoying however it manifests itself.

And yet, I never see any of the blind Blizzard fanboyism called out on these boards anymore.

[nyx]

5 million Chinese can't be wrong, amirite?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by nyx

5 million Chinese can't be wrong, amirite?

Who is this "amirite" person you people keep talking to?

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

Who is this "amirite" person you people keep talking to?

He lives next-door to 'fixed'.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I really need to figure out how to get the "lucy kemp / ban / ignore / GTFO" posse to go after him when he types shit like that. Tad10 wrote it ??? He gets a pass right ?

he will receive very STERN letters about what he types!

[Malakie Torsade]

Originally Posted by Duppin

And yet, I never see any of the blind Blizzard fanboyism called out on these boards anymore.

Yeah, people don't call out Hiram ever. And yes, Tad's post was stupid.

Anyway, just because it's possible to suck at something doesn't mean that NOT sucking takes phat skills. Since we are all about analogies today, it's like driving. I know some shitty ass drivers. I drive well. However, I do not consider driving to be a challenging endeavor. Some people just suck at driving.

I wish I could remember who first said it, but the only people who think EQ was hard are those who suck at video games. I played EQ for 4 years as an Enchanter, whom many consider the most difficult class to play well. While it definitely took more "skill" than many other classes I played, I never considered the class or game challenging.

Lastly, Vynde's list of what made EQ challenging is a joke. So I assume that you consider Diablo Hardcore to be more challenging than any MMO? And Kithicor? Seriously? You mean that zone that which was easily traversed even at night by hugging the zone walls?

[tad10]

Home: OnlineCdKey.com - Online CD Key has 10-day keys for $2.99. And no I have no affiliation with them -- posting merely for those people who want to check out VG w/o paying $50.00 for a box.

Originally Posted by Zeriff

You are a fucking retard.

Sweet, I'm worthy of 1 of your 10 posts since 2002. So you honestly think any person no matter how retarded could play EQ or VG or the actually hard parts of WoW? Interesting.

[Lhon]

So, back on topic, does anyone know the typical MMORPG retention rate beyond the free month? I've heard 60% of box-sales translate into longer term subs, but I have no idea how accurate that figure is. In VG's favour, many of the box sales may be players who have played beta or used a buddy key, and therefore bought with the intention of subscribing. However working against them are the high system reqs, and premature launch, so more than normal numbers may cancel due to poor performance or frustration with bugs.

[Sithro]

I'll be joining in about 3 months, guys. Waiting for my DSL, and some bugs with VG to be worked out.

[Rune]

Originally Posted by Lhon

So, back on topic, does anyone know the typical MMORPG retention rate beyond the free month? I've heard 60% of box-sales translate into longer term subs, but I have no idea how accurate that figure is. In VG's favour, many of the box sales may be players who have played beta or used a buddy key, and therefore bought with the intention of subscribing. However working against them are the high system reqs, and premature launch, so more than normal numbers may cancel due to poor performance or frustration with bugs.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there isn't a typical MMORPG retention rate and it's impossible to even begin to answer that without defining your terms. Does retention mean forever, one month, two months, a year? Paying, or actually logging in? Including SOE all-access pass? Does Guild Wars qualify as a MMORPG? Diablo? Eve? All these games have such different retention rates, while the 'classical' mmo's are so few in number it's kind of irrelevant to apply statistics. I remember reading, although I have no idea if it's true, that a significant portion of people, say 8%, who bought EQ never even logged in.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by Malakie Torsade

So I assume that you consider Diablo Hardcore to be more challenging than any MMO?

if you play it without any hacks then yes I think its more challenging than any mmo out there now. just like I think FPS games needs more skill than you would in any mmo

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by vynde

if you play it without any hacks then yes I think its more challenging than any mmo out there now. just like I think FPS games needs more skill than you would in any mmo

More skill? I wouldn't say that. Entirely different skill? I'd agree.



Hardcore server would be cool in a MMO, I wouldn't play it but I'd love to see the fucking drama threads because some jack off trains some higher level guy a bunch of mobs he can't handle just to kill him.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

Home: OnlineCdKey.com - Online CD Key has 10-day keys for $2.99. And no I have no affiliation with them -- posting merely for those people who want to check out VG w/o paying $50.00 for a box.

Oh come on Tad, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but just how fucking dumb do you think the average poster is on this forum ?

You fucking DEFINE affiliation with Vanguard.

[Daelos]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

You fucking DEFINE affiliation with Vanguard.

Since when is "onlinecdkey.com" the same as Vanguard?

Or did you, in your eagerness to add another bit of ignorance to Vanguard threads, fail to comprehend that he was referring to onlinecdkey when he said he had no affiliation?

[vynde]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

Hardcore server would be cool in a MMO, I wouldn't play it but I'd love to see the fucking drama threads because some jack off trains some higher level guy a bunch of mobs he can't handle just to kill him.

if only SOE kept their old swg forums where jedi faced perma-death