VG sales numbers

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by tad10

I'm still trying to decide what to get VG for valentine's day. I think a chocolate covered patch would be best. Any suggestions?

Just because the patch is covered with something brown and sticky, doesn't make it chocolate.

[kohl]

Originally Posted by tad10

Do you read the posts? We all know its buggy but its enjoyable enough that we put up with bugs.

* * *

Speaking of which when was the last time you played VG? Do you even know what you're talking about or you just another guy jumping on the shit on VG bandwagon cause I'm cool crowd?

You missed the buzz coming right from the mouths of the VG devs themselves? I don't want to hear about how many polygons an MMORPG engine pushes or how complex the models are, because at the end of the day a good art team doesn't need an overly complex or bleeding edge graphics engine to deliver good animations and great looking models.

And yes I read the posts - I know people "put up with the bugs" and I'm saying it's lousy that it has come to that. I still have my EQ beta CD that I kept for posterity and I can tell you that during the first weeks of release, the game was pretty solid from a technical standpoint. Many of the 'bugs' that were fixed initially had to do with things like line of sight exploit fixes, NPC behavior, etc.

If Sigil is aiming to make a new development "pay for our beta" paradigm, then they should advertise that upfront. And no, I don't mean Brad's fluffy, meaningless "I love MMOs because they are never truly finished!" balogne.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Please.. can we compare WoW to Britney Spears or Ford Pintos now?

Here is your 'bullshit'. I accidently sold a quest reward BP to a vendor a week ago. I realized it yesterday. I petitioned it and guess what, today it was in my mailbox with a 'enjoy your time in Azeroth!' message.

Would I get the same treatment in Vanguard? What if it wasn't even my fuckup, what it if the game cost me hours/days of progress/money/exp. Would Sigil fix it? Or would I have to 'suck it up' and deal with it. Is that the definition of challenge?

Unfortunate to admit as I am a playing and loving VG, But Sigil's Customer Service totally sucks ass... Worst of any game I have ever played.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

It appears that "potential" and "promise for the future" are far more important then initial quality, fun factor, stability and the like.

This is where your arguement falls apart. You list the 3 important things to you.

1. Initial Quality - VG fails here
2. Fun Factor - funnest game on the market right now for sure IMO
3. Stability - I have yet to crash in game even once since retail so it suceeds here also

Now in my world 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I can live with the initial quaility as to me it is the lowest priority of those 3 listed and thre easiest to fix.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Jooka

just dont forget you heard it here first.

What are you waiting for the three spawns in whatever MMO you spend 90% of your gaming time in leads you to these threads out of boredom? In which case, you need a better MMO to play. If thats not the case, the MMO you play in 90% of the time sucks ass because you are here posting about one you dont play.


Just admit it, you're in these threads to insult VG and people who want to defend VG for your amusement. Thats the only reason you could possible have because you dont know whats happening with the game outside of patch notes.

I play Wow, I don't have to wait around for spawns silly. Usually I log on and do some reading before playing, and occasionally after playing. If I have a long flight in game, I do some reading and posting as well. Sometimes, I don't play at all and just forum-side if thats what I feel like doing.

I will not admit to that which is not true. I do not come here to insult the VG defenders, on the contrary, their very defense of the game is an insult to me, especially when they say its acceptable the condition its in due to their perceived potential for the game.

You really don't have as much insight into my motivation as you would like to think (and neither does Tad10 for that matter). You cannot have good without evil, right without wrong, and left without right. I understand the deep seated need to want to quash out the opposing opinion to yours, to silence the debate and to "shut down" any who oppose you, I really do.

I do not, and never will question anyones right to post their opinions, I will say that they are wrong if I think so, I will counter argue with them, present my own ideas and thoughts and so on. I will even tell them to give it a rest when they start sounding like a broken record, but I would never try to silence them.

Why you and others think thats a noble or worthy goal to have just boggles my mind.

[Soygen]

You see, Hiram. It's not that you shouldn't post your opinions. Of course you should. This board would be pretty fucking lame(or lamer) if everyone who had opposing opinions just shut up. It's the fact that everyone knows your opinion and you add nothing new to it over the last several months that gets everyone's hackles in a rise. It was the same issue that most had with Utnayan. He made many good points, but after seeing the same points 1000000 time, the same poeple responding 1000000 times and the same fucking arguments 10000000 times, it gets really old.

You(not you in particular, but anyone) could take a year vacation from this forum and come back and not miss a beat. It's just a non-stop cycle of stupid arguments with the rare gem of an actual discussion interspersed. Luckily the other sections of this message-board don't suffer the same affliction.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Please.. can we compare WoW to Britney Spears or Ford Pintos now?

Here is your 'bullshit'. I accidently sold a quest reward BP to a vendor a week ago. I realized it yesterday. I petitioned it and guess what, today it was in my mailbox with a 'enjoy your time in Azeroth!' message.

Would I get the same treatment in Vanguard? What if it wasn't even my fuckup, what it if the game cost me hours/days of progress/money/exp. Would Sigil fix it? Or would I have to 'suck it up' and deal with it. Is that the definition of challenge?

Two of my buddies got hacked. One got their gear back after 3 weeks of teeth pulling, and he didn't get it all back. The other never got their gear back after talking with atleast 10 different GMs and a few customer support people on the phone. There are always two sides.

I put in a GM ticket for a lost weapon in VG and got a response and replacement within an hour. Same thing happened to someone else and never got a response. Same shit different toilet.

[kohl]

Originally Posted by EmiliaEQ

A friend reached 132 diplomaty if i remember well (at 100 you get an extra card).

I'm allergic to Tradeskills (exept when its buying stuff from the AH).

As for diplomacy, like most VG, it has enormous potential if done "right".
Imagine, Magic the Gathering / Poker remix in a MMO when you're bored.
(I plan to start in a couple of months).


Lets face, VG sales were destined to be a "meh/failure".
How the fuck can you compete with WoW, i live in Paris, and they have put
fucking BC posters in the Subway ! I have never ever seen anything like that.
(Lets not even talk about TV/Radio/Press). WoW = Hype Mamoth.

If Sigil gets their shit right, and finishes well the "Paying Beta".
In 6 month we can expect descend Subs around 200-300k.

Still i find the 100kish pretty decent.

I'm curious where you get 200-300k from. Poor initial perception and implementation is incredibly costly, even for games with big marketing dollars and brand recognition (think EQ2, where even with years of updates/improvement, it will never fully shake the stigma of its release state).

The only thing Vanguard will have to go on is word of mouth. Sitting on a store shelf, there is absolutely nothing to make it stand out from current and upcoming MMO's.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by kohl

I'm curious where you get 200-300k from. Poor initial perception and implementation is incredibly costly, even for games with big marketing dollars and brand recognition (think EQ2, where even with years of updates/improvement, it will never fully shake the stigma of its release state).

Did VG even do any marketing? It had no brand recognition outside the MMO community.

[Kolle]

Why are people who don't even play VG still bitching? Shouldn't you have moved on by now instead of being so obsessed?

[kohl]

Originally Posted by Draegan

Did VG even do any marketing? It had no brand recognition outside the MMO community.

Yes, there were definite marketing efforts for Vanguard. I know there were ads and previews in various gaming magazines and banner ads on various websites.

Lack of brand recognition is exactly why the game needs be top notch, quality-wise and have an enticing hook to keep new players coming back.

[Furism]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Or would I have to 'suck it up' and deal with it. Is that the definition of challenge?

That's the definition of not rewarding you for being stupid. In very early EQ I sold a Fine Steel Scimitar to the Oasis gypsies by mistake. I couldn't get it reimbursed. I never sold another item accidentally in EQ for the next 4 or so years I played it.

[kohl]

Originally Posted by Kolle

Why are people who don't even play VG still bitching? Shouldn't you have moved on by now instead of being so obsessed?

Hey Kolle. Check out near the top of the site. You see where it says "MMORPG General Discussion"? Notice what it *doesn't* say is "Discussion reserved for Vanguard subscribers".

[kohl]

Originally Posted by Furism

That's the definition of not rewarding you for being stupid. In very early EQ I sold a Fine Steel Scimitar to the Oasis gypsies by mistake. I couldn't get it reimbursed. I never sold another item accidentally in EQ for the next 4 or so years I played it.

No, thats the definition of EQ having virtually no customer service back then. Being that people routinely fell down the well in Befallen and lost everything they had, your accidental gaffe with the FS Scimi is hardly even worthy of mention.

Here's a better question. If you HAD gotten that FS Scimi back, would that have turned you into a stupid, careless person? You probably still wouldn't have made that mistake again.

[teneran]

Originally Posted by Bongk

This is where your arguement falls apart. You list the 3 important things to you.

1. Initial Quality - VG fails here
2. Fun Factor - funnest game on the market right now for sure IMO
3. Stability - I have yet to crash in game even once since retail so it suceeds here also

Now in my world 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I can live with the initial quaility as to me it is the lowest priority of those 3 listed and thre easiest to fix.

I'm having fun as well.

For Number 3. though, just start hanging out in the Tursh/3 Rivers area in Thestra. i crash there multilple times a session. Its somethign I can live with but hopefully its fixed ASAP.