VG sales numbers

[vynde]

just stop the comparisons already. the only game you can really compare to wow is lotr, because it feels exactly like it. comparing vg to wow is apples to oranges. it is all about personal preference. i see the mc donalds near me get customers all the time, but i also see the small time diner getting customers too.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by kohl

So have we really sunk this far with regards to MMORPGs? We're now judging and basing worth on how shiny and new the engine is? "Our game isn't buggy and poorly coded, its just ahead of its time!!" Really sad, and if this is how far down the list content and fun factor has gone, I feel for the next generation of gamers.

Please let Id Software and Crytek continue to take on that beast - they are much better at it.

This is a great post. Yes Kohl, we have. It appears that "potential" and "promise for the future" are far more important then initial quality, fun factor, stability and the like.

Why people seem to think it's acceptable to release in that way is not something I really understand. I could see if they were share-holders, or were getting kick backs of some kind, but I don't think thats the case.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

This is a great post. Yes Kohl, we have. It appears that "potential" and "promise for the future" are far more important then initial quality, fun factor, stability and the like.

Why people seem to think it's acceptable to release in that way is not something I really understand. I could see if they were share-holders, or were getting kick backs of some kind, but I don't think thats the case.

in the case of vg i think it has alot to do with people hoping this is the 2nd coming of eq. therefore people will overlook certain bugs because they want to feel that nostalgia.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by EmiliaEQ

WoW is the Mc Donald's of MMOs.
It may be the most "attended" and "biggest restauration chain" in the world.
But its still bullshit they serve. And you know it.

If by "bullshit" you mean casual friendly, fun, immersive, eye-catching (to me anyway, opinions differ for sure) stable, and with great replayability then I would have to agree with you.

I kind of see where you are going with this, in that theres room for all different kinds and sizes of MMO's, and I agree with you there, no argument from me at all on that.

I am coming more from the "it should have been better, it has lots of problems, let's not just brush the issues aside and spooge about how great it will be in a year" type of an angle.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

casual friendly, fun, immersive, eye-catching (to me anyway, opinions differ for sure) stable, and with great replayability

this is exactly what vg is.
minus the stable part apparently.

[Jooka]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

If by "bullshit" you mean casual friendly, fun, immersive, eye-catching (to me anyway, opinions differ for sure) stable, and with great replayability then I would have to agree with you.

I kind of see where you are going with this, in that theres room for all different kinds and sizes of MMO's, and I agree with you there, no argument from me at all on that.

I am coming more from the "it should have been better, it has lots of problems, let's not just brush the issues aside and spooge about how great it will be in a year" type of an angle.

you look for anything you can to "play forum moogger". I doubt you have an active subscription to any MMO whatsoever. If you do, you're certainly spending your time in a most negative fashion and in the wrong threads. Now, Im aware that you could also be doing this BS to get under Tad10's skin and I wouldnt blame you because he takes bait like a starving fish.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by vynde

in the case of vg i think it has alot to do with people hoping this isn the 2nd coming of eq. therefore people will overlook certain bugs because they want to feel that nostalgia.

I find that statement interesting in that, right up until the last few months of beta, it really was the second coming of EQ. Someone stepped in and wretched the wheel towards the Wow model late in the game, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall or get more information on how that transpired and who had the horse-power to make those kinds of changes, but I don't see that happening, ever.

I played EQ starting with ROK and ending with POP, and I can really honestly say I don't miss the game itself, I miss the "novelty" of it being something new (online gaming) that I did for the "first time".

I don't think you can recapture the first time experience, because of course, you can only do something once for the first time.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I played EQ starting with ROK and ending with POP, and I can really honestly say I don't miss the game itself, I miss the "novelty" of it being something new (online gaming) that I did for the "first time".

I don't think you can recapture the first time experience, because of course, you can only do something once for the first time.

yeah, and most of the crazies truly think they can get the first time back. personally i loved the eq world and its mechanics (stop laughing...). i loved the EC market, how every single dungeon and zone felt hand crafted, how you had to use the moon/sun to navigate if your sense heading wasnt great, and just the overall feel/ immersion of the game. combat was lacking, especially as a melee, but the rest was fine.

and yeah i sure as hell remember the nightmares of the game. i went into a pofear raid at 46, i just dinged and got 2 blues into it. unfortunately we wiped, i delevelled, and for about 30 min i was in constant panick thinking that i'll never get my corpse back(because i lost my first character like that).

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Jooka

you look for anything you can to "play forum moogger". I doubt you have an active subscription to any MMO whatsoever. If you do, you're certainly spending your time in a most negative fashion and in the wrong threads. Now, Im aware that you could also be doing this BS to get under Tad10's skin and I wouldnt blame you because he takes bait like a starving fish.

I have never heard the term "moogger" but I kind of like that. I might pirate that term at some point in the future, I hope you don't mind. I do currently have two active MMO subscriptions, one I play for 90% of the time, and the other I log in now and then to gauge progress.

I don't specifically target Tad10 (and yes you can see my title does, but I don't target him anymore then I targetted Smed who was the previous "full of shit" title holder, its just an on my radar type notice).

If all I did was flame in VG threads, then it would show me dominating the post counts in those threads, when clearly, it does not (at least not when I started posting again).

[vynde]

so back to vg sales...

i think vg sales will definetly pick up once people blow through the bc raids. my friends getting bored while grinding to 70 so he'll probably fall to vg too. i wouldnt be surprised if people go back and forth between the two games

[Deris]

Hiram is right - Vanguard did take a turn from "Hey this *could* be bad ass" to - "lol WoW with a stupid combat system, and neato tradeskillz!"

current diplomacy makes me cry .

[Ellsworth]

Originally Posted by vynde

so back to vg sales...

i think vg sales will definetly pick up once people blow through the bc raids. my friends getting bored while grinding to 70 so he'll probably fall to vg too. i wouldnt be surprised if people go back and forth between the two games

You don't have to grind to 70. There are so many quests in every zone that you almost have to be an idiot to not have quests somewhere to do at some point, assuming you run a handfull of level appropriate instances as you lvl up.

If someone is having trouble making it to 70 in WoW which has probably the best and most entertaining leveling of all time from 60 - 70, why do you think that VG is the type of game for them?

[vynde]

Originally Posted by Ellsworth

why do you think that VG is the type of game for them?

pretty much because he quits wow here and there. the only game that ever held his attention for a while was swg pre cu and vg seems more like swg than wow. also i was using the term grind loosely, i didnt meant he was grinding on mobs, i just mean on the path to 70

[Jooka]

I have never heard the term "moogger" but I kind of like that. I might pirate that term at some point in the future

just dont forget you heard it here first.

I do currently have two active MMO subscriptions, one I play for 90% of the time, and the other I log in now and then to gauge progress.

What are you waiting for the three spawns in whatever MMO you spend 90% of your gaming time in leads you to these threads out of boredom? In which case, you need a better MMO to play. If thats not the case, the MMO you play in 90% of the time sucks ass because you are here posting about one you dont play.


Just admit it, you're in these threads to insult VG and people who want to defend VG for your amusement. Thats the only reason you could possible have because you dont know whats happening with the game outside of patch notes.

[EmiliaEQ]

A friend reached 132 diplomaty if i remember well (at 100 you get an extra card).

I'm allergic to Tradeskills (exept when its buying stuff from the AH).

As for diplomacy, like most VG, it has enormous potential if done "right".
Imagine, Magic the Gathering / Poker remix in a MMO when you're bored.
(I plan to start in a couple of months).


Lets face, VG sales were destined to be a "meh/failure".
How the fuck can you compete with WoW, i live in Paris, and they have put
fucking BC posters in the Subway ! I have never ever seen anything like that.
(Lets not even talk about TV/Radio/Press). WoW = Hype Mamoth.

If Sigil gets their shit right, and finishes well the "Paying Beta".
In 6 month we can expect descend Subs around 200-300k.

Still i find the 100kish pretty decent.