Fixing wow's pvp system

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

You don't see the difference between having two get-out-of-scream free cards and one?

Troll/Orc vs Undead is two totally different fights, based solely on WotF. You never catch an Undead rogue without a fear break.

The point is, I never have to use a 2nd fear break. I thought I made that clear, I guess not.

I'll try again. A rogue can kill you in 30 seconds. Most warriors without their heads in their anus can kill you in 30 seconds as well. What does fear net you vs A class with a Fear trinket, and a class with Berserker rage? That's right, nothing. And by the time your "Oh shit" Ability is up again, you're dead, and the cooldown time doesn't matter.

You think that it's okay, because you'll just own the non UD rogue next time because his fear break is on a 5 minute cooldown? Riiight. Anyone with a brain just isn't going to bother with fearing classes while their trinket is on cooldown and you're right back at square one 4 and a half minutes later.

[Drtyrm]

Originally Posted by Tancred

Well holy fucking shit I NEVER NOTICED!>?!?!??!??!!!

Where does it say the counter to an ability has to be the same type of ability, dullard?

So, your contention is that Fear Ward (possessed by Dwarf Priests) is similar in strength to Will of the Forsaken (possessed by Undead Warriors, Undead Rogues, Undead Warlocks, Undead Priests and Undead Mages.) Fear Ward counters Will of the Forsaken? What the fuck are you trying to say?

Compare the number of dwarf priests in your average AB match to the number of undead anything.

Further contemplation of why Death Coil was implemented may also be of value to you.

[chaos]

2 years later, the argument continues...

[Drtyrm]

Hehe. Point taken. I will go back to trying to will my priest into a dwarf.

[Cad]

Fear ward is dispellable by the 2 primary fear classes. Yea.

[Tancred]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

So, your contention is that Fear Ward (possessed by Dwarf Priests) is similar in strength to Will of the Forsaken (possessed by Undead Warriors, Undead Rogues, Undead Warlocks, Undead Priests and Undead Mages.) Fear Ward counters Will of the Forsaken? What the fuck are you trying to say?

Compare the number of dwarf priests in your average AB match to the number of undead anything.

Further contemplation of why Death Coil was implemented may also be of value to you.

Jesus fucking god, numbnuts, NO THAT IS NOT MY CONTENTION. I'm going to go slow here. Fear. Ward. Is. Our. Only. Counter. To. Fear. That's my contention. You'll note in the original post i mentioned that it's a 30-sec cooldown. And that's just one of it's weaknesses. Dispellable, limited to a single race AND CLASS combo etc etc. Anyone retarded enough to assert FW == WoTF if too retarded to use a keyboard so there's little chance of it being claimed here.

Fucking 05ers.

PS: I play a Dwarf Priest.

[Drtyrm]

Originally Posted by Tancred

Anyone retarded enough to assert FW == WoTF if too retarded to use a keyboard so there's little chance of it being claimed here.

Originally Posted by Tancred

Our balance is Fear Ward.

Next time try and be a bit more clear. Fucking '02er.

[LadyVex]

The other thing people are forgetting is that wotf also has a timer. As a dwarf priest, whena fear is cast, you are immune but the buff goes away. So unless you've got a mod that automatically casts it again for you as soon as the buff disappears, or unless you automatically cast it within a split second, if another person fears you you'll take that one. (And no this is not theoretical things, because every horde premades comes chock full of classes with AE fears and they'll use it to dismantle your train.)

Whereas a hordie can use wotf to break out of a fear, and then they're also immune to it for the next 5 seconds. Drtyrm and I pvp as two priests, and I gotta say how awesome it is to be attacked by undead warriors and rogues together, we coordinate the fears, oh look, wotf, fear again, still immune!

So now we just gotta blow the fear, have them use wotf and then suck up their dmg until it wears off.

It's fantastic balance. I love it. More sandpaper condoms please.

PS - Since we're going to call everyone dipshits for rolling anything but a dwarf priest, I gotta say, how's it feel to be totally fucked over by the draenei? Racials being an HOT, and a hit chance aura, and priest racials being FW and a group mana return.

Hope you can bury your worthless racial tears in your treasure find.

Also:

Hey, Elune's Grace occasionally gets warriors to try to overpower and become fearable. Of course, that doesn't really matter if they're undead.

This made me lol. Not necessarily because it was rofl funny, but because it's too damn true.

[Etadanik]

Prime reason why I won't roll an Alliance priest for PvP. Same is true for warlocks, really, but what the hell, at least they don't have racial spells.

The same maybe true for paladins post-TBC with Blood Elf racials, but who knows, Blizzard might grow a clue. And if they don't, there's always Gnomes, bitches.

[LadyVex]

I wish more than anything I could have been a gnome priest. =(

Pink pigtails and high pitched squeals...in shadowform.

[Don Won]

Let's not forget that Fear Ward only prevents fear, and doesn't break out of it like WotF. This can be important when you consider diminishing returns.

I have to snicker at alliance sometimes. Enjoy your 10% extra rep.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Don Won

I have to snicker at alliance sometimes. Enjoy your 10% extra rep.

I love War Stomp and 5% health .. neither of which is anywhere close to useless. But I'd give them up for Shadowmeld in 1/5th of a heartbeat. Or Stoneform (fuck cripping poison). Or Escape Artist.

WotF may be god's gift to pvp, but it doesn't help those of us who aren't undead.

[Drtyrm]

Shadowmeld is awesome for defending AB nodes. Boring as hell though. I'd rather be riding around hitting spots than sitting and lurking. You know you it breaks immediately on the start of an ability now right?

Oh, and since I'm waiting for my long ass queues ...

Frost Trap (big whooshing snow AE) has a duration like what, 20 seconds? Why is it Magic, and yet cannot be dispelled? Talented? Or bugged?

[Clug]

Can you whiney bitch alliance QQ anymore?

[CXB]

I had sympathy for alliance priests prior to the initial implemenation of the PvP trinket, but it rapidly changed from there. Go play some arena matches -- notice how any race that jumps you will gimp your fear. In the vast majority of situations, either you or the rogue will be dead before psychic scream refreshes. This could change in the arena when fights are longer in lv 70 gear, we'll see.

Complaining about warriors? Please. You have to be shadow for fear to refresh before zerker rage does, and shadow owns warriors 1v1 and is worthless in 5v5, so I don't know wtf the problem is.

The reason WOTF is bitched about so much is how common undead are. If horde fought as many dwarves and gnomes (w/ new EA) as alliance fought undead, horde rogues/mages/druids would be bitching just as much. The vast majority of alliance picked the races who were pretty, but had the weaker racials.

PS - Since we're going to call everyone dipshits for rolling anything but a dwarf priest, I gotta say, how's it feel to be totally fucked over by the draenei? Racials being an HOT, and a hit chance aura, and priest racials being FW and a group mana return.

stoneform and desperate prayer are WAY better than gift of the naaru and the mana / 5 skill for PvP. At least Draeni are close though.

Dwarf priests are one of the stupidest goddamn things in the game. Some races are better at some classes than others, ok. I can still take a troll rogue on my team over an undead rogue -- it's only a minor disadvantage in the overall scheme of things. On the other hand, you're putting yourself at a significant disadvantage if your team has a human, or even worse, a night elf on it instead of a dwarf. Stoneform is already the best racial for priests (crip, viper sting, blind, thank you), add DP up every match and being able to FW 3 people on your team before the arena match starts and you have a race that is retardedly better than the others.

Also, while dwarf priests were rare as hell at the beginning of the game, they've become much much more common. I recently hit 60 on my hunter and after PvPing in every bracket, I was seeing at least 50% of all priests as dwarf.