EQ2 PVP: 2 steps forwards... 2 back.

[lendarios]

To the OP. from the EQ vpv2 boards

Law of the Jungle #3: Nobody needs to be nerfed

All classes have advantages in certain situations. If you find yourself in one of these situations and you aren't the class in question, see Law #1. So, such-and-such a class can take you down solo if they get the jump on you, if all they do is X and Y? Well, yes. That's what they do, and you were there. The essence of EQ2 is that all classes have advantages and weaknesses, and the way we overcome our weaknesses isn't telling the game developer to take them away, or give you someone else's advantage. The way you overcome these weaknesses is by grouping with someone who can complement them. You're not here to run around solo and have a fair, balanced even 1v1 match against everyone you meet. That's not PvP, that's dueling. Running around alone isn't something you have the right to do. Not all classes were meant to solo in PvE as well as others, what makes you think this is any different? And if your class can't do what so-and-so does, they shouldn't. Everyone has "certain classes" who flat-out have them beat. Everyone has classes that can't hold a candle to them. This is not, nor should it be, a game where you always stand a fair chance. There's more to PvP that who has what nuke or how many hitpoints or what dps rate is. PvP is about knowing everything you can do and how it works, not just what numbers scrolled up when you fought mobs before. If you can't fight them, learn how to. If you can't learn and expect SOE to change everything around to suit you, you made a mistake. Crying that you can't beat X class and they need to be nerfed doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an unskilled player who doesn't understand how to play his class. You also have to understand the other classes and what their weaknesses are. Learn, Adapt, and Grow; if you can't do that then you're not cut out for this.

[Noken]

Exactly.

It's an unwritten rule with MMO boards that you don't ask for others to be nerfed. Don't whine about how lame your class is without making suggestion for improvement (which is most important if you're the OP), and don't post on unrelated forums, thus my first reply. It seems like this is trying to bate Gallenite by making a new thread on it, and because it's unlikely someone here plays a brigand or bruiser there's no fair discussion. There could be fair discussion on the Eq2 PvP forum.

Want to address that a game not designed for PvP isn't good at it? Great, perhaps the first post could have had some meat to it, something worth a reply to, or something that might make Gallenite (or anyone else interested) say "I like that."

[Ungoliath]

It's a shame really.

Schatze appears to have some valid points to make about eq2 pvp, but his writing style and argument is not likely to help his cause anytime soon.

I do think he was trying to say that he was 'getting the jump' on the opposition but still losing most of the time, hence calling for a re-evaluation of the way resists are working seems fair.

If only he could lose the anger and present the facts in a more rational quantitative manner; I think it would do his case the world of good.

e.g. I got the jump on x class y times. I won 20% of the time because *reason*.

Personally, it disappoints me because I really enjoyed EQ2 PvP for the first month and would like to hear how recent changes have affected the game at the highest level. As a caster, albeit a mage, who are not quite as much affected by resists as the direct damage casters. I would love to see some opinions on the 'state of EQ2 PvP today' accompanied by some hard, preferably quantitative, facts and well reasoned argument.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Noken

Exactly.

It's an unwritten rule with MMO boards that you don't ask for others to be nerfed. Don't whine about how lame your class is without making suggestion for improvement (which is most important if you're the OP), and don't post on unrelated forums, thus my first reply. It seems like this is trying to bate Gallenite by making a new thread on it, and because it's unlikely someone here plays a brigand or bruiser there's no fair discussion. There could be fair discussion on the Eq2 PvP forum.

What? no, fuck off. If something is horribly imbalanced it deserves nerfing/fixing. Fury warriors in WoW until the last patch, EQ1 necromancers in original EQ, monks in velious, warlocks in WoW now, etc.

[Schatze]

Yes, these boards have been thoroughly infested by WOW gen. Unfortunately, well reasoned, temperate posts get received worse than rant-type posts.

As to this thread... If you don't like EQ or EQ2, get out. That simple. If you have no interest in this thread, you're a complete retard to click on it. The title was not ambiguous.

Some things are just so imbalanced that they need to be nerfed. I'm sorry, but this isn't the "zomg fuck warriors nerf them to hell" meme that infested the board for quite a while in the WOW community. Nor the "zomg fuck shamans" one that was never true, but infected this board. Nor was it "omg priests/warlocks are gimped" which was also a false perception of most on this board. Nor is it a "omg nerf paladins" that, you guessed it, was gospel on this board for a while in relation to WOW. It's specific aspects of class balance that are completely out of whack as they are clearly PVE abilities that maintain the same functionality in PVP.

Moreover, I think the one clear point is that whoever was developing EOF and whoever was revamping PVP did not talk to each other. Issues were fixed only to have EOF design totally break the same dynamic again.

Finally, everyone gets slagged by brigs and bruisers except maybe a monk. And how am I to kill these fine gentlemen if I get 4 resists in a row on a 3 second spell when it takes them less than a second to hit a macro and kill me, and they're capable of doing this every minute? Oh no, sorry, nothing should be nerfed, they should give everyone else 12 000 HP rather than fix one simple ability that was clearly not thought of from a PVP perspective. Even given horrible resists, I can still find ways to kill people, and am quite good at doing so. Doesn't change the fact I need to work 10x as hard as a brig or a bruiser, or play 10x as smart.

edit: no kasey, I took some months off, and I've been writing exams.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by lendarios

To the OP. from the EQ vpv2 boards

link or quote other rules please

[Schatze]

Originally Posted by lendarios

To the OP. from the EQ vpv2 boards

Tell me what the advantages are to having a root that is resisted 3/4 of the time, versus having one that is never resisted, being a caster when a 30 second invuln period means they can just run up to you and you're fucked because all your advantages have just been nullified, having 3-5 second cast times when you can quite literally (and I have the logs to prove this) die in less than 1 second. Having that person able to cross the spell casting range in 3 seconds whereas all your spells but stifle is 3+ second, and having stifle resisted 60-70% of the time, which means you're rooted and one shotted and interrupted by melee. Having extremely poor mitigation and avoidance to melee while melee have extremely high mitigation and avoidance of spell damage. Having to get the jump on a person and have them completely unaware you're there when that person has the ability to track visible, invisible, and stealthed characters to far out of range.

Answer these questions, and don't just quote that horrible post by some zomg internet leet PVP'r who has no familiarity with MMORPGs. Oh shit, I'm sorry, PVP should just be scout versus scout like it was pre-EOF, and like it has since become as people get AAs and new resist gear. No attempt of balance should be made, everyone should betray to freeport and roll rogues which is exactly what has been happening for months and months such that it's almost impossible to see another caster out PVPing. Because some ethug who runs drive bys with 12 of his closest Iksar homies said so in a trite cliched post!

[mek]

Originally Posted by Schatze

As to this thread... If you don't like EQ or EQ2, get out. That simple. If you have no interest in this thread, you're a complete retard to click on it. The title was not ambiguous.

If you LIKE EQ or EQ2, there's a 99.999999% chance you like it for the pve game, since the pvp game sucks balls and will continue to do so. That or you're a ganker!

[redjunkopera]

To the OP. from the EQ vpv2 boards

Welcome to the jungle: The truth about PvP - PvP Discussion - EverQuest II Official Forums

That is from some ghey post by one of the token SOE board shills who is trying to play mod's pet...

[Schatze]

I actually PVP solo and outnumbered. And I still have a very, very positive k:d ratio with over 3500 kills. Maybe 200 of those weren't solo.

But the title of the thread is EQ2 PVP. It was not deceptive. If you are not interested, do not click. If you can't comprehend that, go back to the WOW or gamefaqs or fark or wherever the hell you came from. That is directed at not one person, but a subset.

[redjunkopera]

class?

[Schatze]

Woot, way to disable the caster miracle in PVP leaving everyone else with a gimp once an hour one shot except casters! Woot!

Hahaha you can tell what fucking class the person who is managing PVP plays. God damn.

[Saynac]

Oh yeah? Did some changes just come down? I'm still stuck at work and can't access the EQ2 forums.

[kasey]

coolio, hope its going well :-)