PVP wise.. which WoW class now has the upper hand?

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Warriors aren't too bad. It's just that they've been walking gods for so long that now that they're back down to Earth with the rest of us they're learning the hard way what it's like to not be able to win 90% of matches.

So what happened to warriors in the last 6 months that changed them? Back around the beginning of the year when I was still playing, warriors were exactly what you say. Walking gods. They won against most all classes most of the time. Everyone was playing one. Now all I see is how much they suck and they can't beat anyone.

[Burning_Samurai]

As a Subtelty specc'd rogue who played a good bit on PTRs, I feared no one 1v1. My gear was Tier 2 with CTS and anub warhammer, nothing special. I'm not talking about with all my cooldowns and blowing four or five. Cloak of Shadows is amazing and to think it will be trainable at 66 it just hot. Having it reduced to a one minute cooldown as well is amazing. Very, very, very rarely would I use CloS, Prep, CloS all in 10 seconds. The change is only of concern to arenas really.

Cloak of Shadows is amazing vs almost anyone, but was amazing against warlocks. If you simply tried to predict a deathcoil/imp howl or terror at the end of a cheap shot->KS, you were pretty much safe. Removing all DoTs instantly is also a huge thing to have as a rogue.

I could see pretty much every other class having huge problems with warlocks, DoT spamming can lead to a very large amount of damge over multiple targets quickly.

EDIT: Arenas are great for sub. spec'd rogues clearly, but I enjoyed BGs more. Throw in team roosters and I would have been more inclined to do these rather than BGs.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

So what happened to warriors in the last 6 months that changed them? Back around the beginning of the year when I was still playing, warriors were exactly what you say. Walking gods. They won against most all classes most of the time. Everyone was playing one. Now all I see is how much they suck and they can't beat anyone.

Comprehension ftw

I dont know exactly when or where warriors were "walking gods" in 1v1. We are still viable PvP class in group settings (IE coupled with a healer/dispeller), but where we were at a disadvantage in 1v1 situations (dependant upon gear) with the new talents and reworks of talents from the other classes we basically have very few counters for any type of CC, stun, snare which seem to be in abundance to most of the classes. Not to mention being VERY vulnerable to magic damage.

Again as stated before, it is 1v1. Who cares (at least until arena starts getting big), but at least post like you have an idea of what you are talking about.

IMO they need to give warriors an inate resist talent, that still has yet to be put in, and it is something we have been asking for for a long time.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Somebody has to be the bottom of the totem pole. It's your month to be it, grats. I didn't say they were "fine lern2play" I just said they weren't ridiculously bad. Between FAPs and grenades if you still can't win fights you may just want to retire from video games altogether.

Feel free to continue flaming me however. Your nerd rage fuels my shadow priest deliciousness.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Somebody has to be the bottom of the totem pole. It's your month to be it, grats. I didn't say they were "fine lern2play" I just said they weren't ridiculously bad. Between FAPs and grenades if you still can't win fights you may just want to retire from video games altogether.

Feel free to continue flaming me however. Your nerd rage fuels my shadow priest deliciousness.

You're an idiot and that's where I'll leave it.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Somebody has to be the bottom of the totem pole. It's your month to be it, grats. I didn't say they were "fine lern2play" I just said they weren't ridiculously bad. Between FAPs and grenades if you still can't win fights you may just want to retire from video games altogether.

Feel free to continue flaming me however. Your nerd rage fuels my shadow priest deliciousness.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night Zehn

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

So what happened to warriors in the last 6 months that changed them? Back around the beginning of the year when I was still playing, warriors were exactly what you say. Walking gods. They won against most all classes most of the time. Everyone was playing one. Now all I see is how much they suck and they can't beat anyone.

Between the rage thing nerfing my "get in range, 6 seconds later I win" macro series and PvPers in general having much higher stamina as well, meaning that fights are taking much longer then usual...I just can't indiscriminately win most fights on my warrior twink before somebody even knows what's going on.

I can still win a decent amount of encounters but I've used more then a few stacks of grenades and faps.

I switched back to my main (priest) though because I've spent so long as disc/holy and unable to do jack and shit but sw;p and pray whoever is attacking me dies from the awesome 50dps of it before I run out of mana helaing myself. Shadow Priests are disgusting awesome.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Anyways...

I have no experience as a fury warrior so maybe it's much harder for them or something. Carry on.

[Hozz]

Why wont they make the PvE/PvP servers separate rulesets? Trying to balance both PvP and PvE is never going to happen and its part of why we see the cyclical rise and fall of various classes in terms of their (1 on 1) PvP viability.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Anyways...

I have no experience as a fury warrior so maybe it's much harder for them or something. Carry on.

Yeah, the part about stamina for other classes limiting the 1-2 hit kills may be a large factor. All I know is that when I still played, MS warriors were the FotM class by a large margin. Everybody was playing one, our AV matches were largely dominated by warriors all going for TUF, etc. But I quit in Feb or so, so I am sure that much has changed. Just wasn't sure what it was, and I was under the impression that AQ gear wasn't drastically better than T2.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Yeah, the part about stamina for other classes limiting the 1-2 hit kills may be a large factor. All I know is that when I still played, MS warriors were the FotM class by a large margin. Everybody was playing one, our AV matches were largely dominated by warriors all going for TUF, etc. But I quit in Feb or so, so I am sure that much has changed. Just wasn't sure what it was, and I was under the impression that AQ gear wasn't drastically better than T2.

It is:

Cloack of concentrated hatred
BP of annihilation
gauntlets of annihilation
ring of qblahblah fury
barbed choker
hive defiler wristgaurds
teir 2.5 shoulders
triad girdle
jom gabbar
Not to mention the weapons (dark edge of insanity, Kalimdors revenge, Ancient ripper)

Not to mention full tier 2.5 is a nice dps/survivability hybrid set.

[Kaige]

A lot of classes are doing well, but the real hurt comes with the new talent revamps matched with the already decked out players hammering even harder. Playing an undergeared alt in BGs can be a suicide mission sometimes.

[Chantado]

A decently geared mace spec warrior is no slouch. One of these days more warriors will find out mace spec pwns.

[slitz]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Yeah, the part about stamina for other classes limiting the 1-2 hit kills may be a large factor. All I know is that when I still played, MS warriors were the FotM class by a large margin. Everybody was playing one, our AV matches were largely dominated by warriors all going for TUF, etc. But I quit in Feb or so, so I am sure that much has changed. Just wasn't sure what it was, and I was under the impression that AQ gear wasn't drastically better than T2.

It's not so much one big change but rather many small changes along the way that have pushed warriors closer to the bottom. The attack normalization changes etc
But the big changes have probably happened on all other classes but warriors. Warriors were one of the first (maybe even the first? I don't recall) to get their talent revamp. It looked good at that time, but then you realized that everyone else got (warrior_changes)^2 which leaves the warrior where they are today.

[holydevil]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Don't cry to me if you can't be bothered to farm FAP's. 8(

He pays 15 dollars a month should he really also have to additionally devote time also inorder to effectivitely and competively PVP?

I have to admit I am a casual PVPer, I don't have his problems as a paladin but it would seem pretty dumb for me if I had to farm pots for 30 minutes just so I can PVP for 30 minutes and not get completely owned. This is especially true since other classes don't need to farm to be effective in PVP.