PVP wise.. which WoW class now has the upper hand?

[Surlok TP]

Originally Posted by Zest

I dumped all my shit into Shadow and have been killing Hunters the same as before. Even when they pop BW it's 50/50 as to who dies first (even if I lose the DoTs will kill them).

Dual Wield Shaman look ridiculously fun to play.

Prior to this patch my Shaman was a PVP toy, Suicide build : 31 Enhance/20 Elemental.

My course of attack basically was run in, SS then Earthshock to benefit from the SS buff then just Auto attack till shocks/SS refreshed and hope for WF's. The only totems I ever dropped were grounding, eb and poison after they nerfed using lower level spells. I did all right VS most classes, Rogues and Wars I used a shield, Hunters were a joke since GT eats their frost trap... Casters were hit and miss if I could get close to them they died, if not I died. It was a waste of time trying to cast on them since I didn't have the mana pool for it.

Now with this patch I specced into DW and then 10-15(I forget) into resto mostly for mana benefits as SS is on a 10 second timer now instead of 30 allowing me to use it more and get the big earth shock more.Thing is since I am mostly melee specced my earth shocks rarely crit do to low int and no +spell crit gear. DW is ok, it's great on casters if you don't want to rely on 2h WF's since it's pretty good at slowing casting between ES but it doesn't burst nearly as well as a TuF or other comparable 2h does. Then again I am just using a Frostbite and a Mass of Mcgowan, sometimes Lobotomizer. I don't have any great damage oriented one handers, all mine were more caster stat shield things...

It's just as worthless vs melee targets as a 2 hander was before, even more so now. Ocasionally I wouldn't swap to one hander shield vs maybe a rogue and get a couple lucky WF's but that never really worked VS wars, now I won't even bother with either class. I can kite them but I usually find this boring and before it ever goes anywhere in a BG someone else shows up to finish one of us off.


Anyhow I respecced back into my own build , maybe with better weapons DW might be better but then an equal 2 hander will still own cloth/leather and you still need to swap a shield in for long melee fights so its seems pointless. The extra ten points in the patch would be better off going into the other two trees for other more controlled burst damage or greater survivability.


I haven't played my hunter yet but I am having similar opinions about my rogue and the couple builds I have tried. These new things are all neat and fun but they don't lend themselves well to 51 points and I feel that it's pointless really to debate to much on one classes ability over another till people are 70 and have the proper amount of points to dole out.

A suicide build shaman with a beefy two hander at lvl 70 will be a hoot though, and I look forward to leveling mine up for that. 30 Elemental 31 Enhance will be retarded burst damage ....


PS Warlocks suck. I want them to go back to being the suckiest pvp class please.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

PS Warlocks suck. I want them to go back to being the suckiest pvp class please.

Yeah, those were the good old days where all you had to do was LOLOL earth shock until your LOLOL winfury killed the warlock, huh? omg soul link! PURGE!

[Plorkyeran]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Yeah, those were the good old days where all you had to do was LOLOL earth shock until your LOLOL winfury killed the warlock, huh? omg soul link! PURGE!

No, the good old days were when I could just wand warlocks to death because they knew it wasn't worth the effort to actually try to win.

[Draz]

Originally Posted by Immy

All the time you're fearing them around with soul link on and a potion + healthstone just in case that 5th person shows up.

It's pretty much not even fair.

ROFL....

Fuck Warlocks seriously.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by Deris

Blackbook is overpowered in Arena with a Felguard ><...

And holy and disc priests got the shaft. Shadow is simply the best talent tree in the game imo - and holy/disc don't come close to compare.

For solo PVP shadow does well due to high DPS silence etc. However in group pvp I went shadow for the new patch.....hated it my survivability went to shit.

I am now back to disc/holy and enjoy group PVP so much more. Maybe because I am a eq style cleric at heart. But I love to heal those near death to full HP and piss off their attackers. Nothing says fuck you quite like healing to full and handing someone their ass cause they thought they had you.

[SalaciousTunare]

Speaking as a 10/41/0 imbacone mage, I am utterly destroying in pvp, dragon's breath is a bullshit scatter/trap for mage, scatter/sheep, and blow people up all day... it's a fucking 20 sec cooldown assured sheep. It's upwards of 1200 dmg spell interrupt... it's ridiculous good.

I am trashing everyone on the field except for locks naturally... and even then I am only lose to felguard locks because their fucking trash pet has an addition 50% chance to resist aoe's (nova/imbacone/blastwave) if it wasn't for that, I'd definately be smashing locks as well as most of those fights are close.

Shaman... my god what happened to these poor bastards? This impotent class, man a fight goes like this, manage to sheep them (hard but doable with wand/headfakes/blinking from totem) open with pyro, blink/run TOWARDS them, dragon's breath and scorch/fireblast/blastwave, my god I've never seen Shaman completely neutered before. If they drop out a grounding after the scorch/fireblast the blastwave cooks them before a lesser heal, it really is sad.

Same with hunters, blink towards hunter (pet on you blazing speed) jump right over his face.. 180 turn scatter shot him and his pet (imbacone) proceed to sheep him or trash him with scorch/fireblast/blastwave. It is not uncommon to dragon's breath/fireball chumps, I've all but abandoned CS too, as dragon's breath is far more valuable as a spell interrupt.

I really thought when I went 41 fire I was going to miss PoM, PoM is for chumps who can't mouse turn their character.

[Schatze]

Thank god deathcoil was put in a fricking year ago or more! Warlocks were severely overpowered, especially at the top end of the game, since like fricking BWL was put in.

And remember, before deathcoil, they also had that insane shadowbolt build they could go for that tore shit up.

And rofl I remember I had a bunch of idiots jump on me for saying shadow priests fucking owned in PVP.

Psst, I'll also continue my heretical stuff... Mages were never broken in PVP. Ice build, and when played right, the fire build, always owned. They were never borked except when PVE'rs tried to PVP in their PVE armor with no sta and wondered WTF?

[Morphyous]

Originally Posted by Immy

it's pretty arbitrary...but..

Generally speaking the mass populous decrees that

Overpowered:

Priest
Hunter
Warlock

Balanced:

Mage
Druid
Rogue
Paladin

Underpowered:

Shaman (everything but resto)
Warrior (Rage nerf)

As I said, it's all arbitrary and a new flavor of the month could pop up at any time.

But right now I'd say that hunters and warlocks are the current leaders of those who bitch about them.

I agree with Warlock being overpowered, but I truly do not see priest or hunter being all that great. They can be annoying with silencing shot, but other than that I see no real power to them as a priest myself. If you want to say a shadow priest is overpowered, I would agree, but a healing priest isn't better than a paladin imo.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Schatze

Thank god deathcoil was put in a fricking year ago or more! Warlocks were severely overpowered, especially at the top end of the game, since like fricking BWL was put in.

And remember, before deathcoil, they also had that insane shadowbolt build they could go for that tore shit up.

What insane shadowbolt build are you talking about?

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

What insane shadowbolt build are you talking about?

I guess SM (Nightfallpwnage)/Ruin.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

What insane shadowbolt build are you talking about?

I think he means sm/ruin. Which was hardly insane...
Warlocks were hard mode before deathcoil, that simple. Sure you could occasionally do a huge crit with the negative resists bug, but they were very rare.

I'm retired from WoW, but if I were still playing, I'd be going 21/40 destruction as soon as you can get that fire nuke. Sure, it may not be as easy mode in pvp as an affliction or felguard build. And I'm sure its as painful to solo as md/ruin was without instant corruption. But, to a warlock who has uber micro its the way to go. Most single target dps in the game. Thats what I'm talking about...

[Quineloe]

SM Ruin - the glass cannon that mages were supposed to be.

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

For solo PVP shadow does well due to high DPS silence etc. However in group pvp I went shadow for the new patch.....hated it my survivability went to shit.

I am now back to disc/holy and enjoy group PVP so much more. Maybe because I am a eq style cleric at heart. But I love to heal those near death to full HP and piss off their attackers. Nothing says fuck you quite like healing to full and handing someone their ass cause they thought they had you.

I'm 7/2/42 atm, and I'd venture to say my survivability is better than that of a disc/holy priest simply for the fact that I have passive 15% less damage, on top of 3k armor, and I primarily equip ZHB or Burrower's Shell for the 2k armor or additional +900 Shield, and pvp trinket. On top of having Silence, and a 26s Fear + 10% chance to stun people.

I just can't bring myself to go Disc/Holy again, i'll definitely be rerolling come expac as a Paladin.

[James]

Not sure which PvP thread to post this in, but this was posted on my realm forums:

Broken Arena - Google Video

[Kodylan]

Originally Posted by Deris

I'm 7/2/42 atm, and I'd venture to say my survivability is better than that of a disc/holy priest simply for the fact that I have passive 15% less damage, on top of 3k armor, and I primarily equip ZHB or Burrower's Shell for the 2k armor or additional +900 Shield, and pvp trinket. On top of having Silence, and a 26s Fear + 10% chance to stun people.

I just can't bring myself to go Disc/Holy again, i'll definitely be rerolling come expac as a Paladin.

Uh, no. I've played against good shadow priests and good disc priests(NOTE: DISC - Pain Suppression speced, NOT disc/holy), and the disc priests are so absurdly hard to kill right now comparatively it isn't even remotely funny. With reflection shield, pain suppression, etc, it's near impossible to kill a good disc priest. Especially one geared for pvp - I can't say the same about the shadow priests.