the Black Temple will NOT be ready for burning crusade release.

Lenardo · 12-03-2006, 12:59 AM

atleast they admit it.

as per battle update 4 - WoW Forums -> World of Warcraft Battle Plan Vol. 4

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While I’m on the topic of dungeons, I wanted to mention here that the Black Temple -- the dungeon intended to offer the most challenging encounters in the game -- is still deep in development and will be opened up for public testing after the expansion is released. It’s important to us to spend as much time as possible balancing and polishing the content in this dungeon before releasing it to players; it’s definitely not something we want to rush out the door just for the sake of meeting a deadline. We look forward to sharing more information and offering some glimpses of the Black Temple content in the weeks ahead... and then opening it up to Burning Crusade players on the test realms once they’ve had a chance to level to 70 and gear up in the other dungeons.

Digits · 12-03-2006, 01:07 AM

They've admitted as much for months now, since before the start of BC beta as I recall. If they're only saying they're cutting out the penultimate raiding dungeon in the entire expansion I don't think we have too much to complain about, presuming that they won't pull a BWL on us and release it 8 months after retail and that there there's at least a tier of raid dungeons beneath it.

Jabberwhacky · 12-03-2006, 01:42 AM

I'm glad I'm done with WoW. The idea of public testing is atrocious. As if instancing wasn't enough to completely kill immersion (thanks to millions of people killing the same boss I just killed, not to mention me already having killed him time and time again) they just go and put it all out there for "testing."

Kasonic · 12-03-2006, 01:51 AM

Jabberwhacky, did you see BWL without public testing?

And then Naxxramas, with? Your immersion can go fuck itself.

To the OP: Old news, they said some of the raid dungeons wouldn't be complete for retail. This is hardly anything to be sad about unless the raid tiers have been exponentially reduced in farm time or gear requirements.

Deris · 12-03-2006, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

I'm glad I'm done with WoW. The idea of public testing is atrocious. As if instancing wasn't enough to completely kill immersion (thanks to millions of people killing the same boss I just killed, not to mention me already having killed him time and time again) they just go and put it all out there for "testing."

Uh you enjoyed the clusterfuck that was Sleeper's Tomb, Vex Thal, The Rathe Council, MC, and BWL?

I'd hate to be you. Public testing like Naxxramas makes shit run infitesimally smoother - Naxx was practically pristine and bug free except for a very few glaring ones like Maexxna LoS issues, and Thaddius LD's.

Arbitrary · 12-03-2006, 02:05 AM

Just think, if Sony had just admitted shit wasn't done no one would ever have been mad at them. Then you'd all still be playing EQ.

Siddar · 12-03-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Just think, if Sony had just admitted shit wasn't done no one would ever have been mad at them. Then you'd all still be playing EQ.

Its probally the truth.

Remeber the Coldian Shawl quest where they admitted up front that quest wasnt finished? People still loved that quest and the release of next step in quest were eagerly awaited each patch.

Furious · 12-03-2006, 02:24 AM

WoW is ass. Have fun

Phred · 12-03-2006, 02:26 AM

Yup, it's amazing the difference when a company is up front about what they are doing and don't try to snow their userbase. From what I've seen of bc beta so far it's gonna be a grind to get access and gear to even get into Black Temple very soon so they might have got away with shipping and swearing it was done like SOE would but they didn't.

Deris · 12-03-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Furious

WoW is ass. Have fun

TBC Beta is awesome, and not just because of the "zomg new" factor. It feels like a completely different game - and they actually implemented world PVP that is fun. But hey you keep banging your head against EverCrap or whatever other game you got going for you! I'll be over here having fun with ass.

CXB · 12-03-2006, 02:58 AM

They mention that in one of the blue posts and add that battleground matchmaking won't be added until a later patch as well. Seeing there's plenty to raid content prior to Illidan, it's not a big deal, but I was looking forward to matched BGs so as not to roll 90% of the groups I play in a group and actually be able to PUG or 2-3 man here and there.

Moontayle · 12-03-2006, 04:04 AM

Well, people will still need to gear up. And yes, that includes people in T3. The benefits of sockets cannot be outweighed (plus that's like what... 1% of the WoW population... ooooh). So figure time to level, gearing up through T5 and we're in... May or so for the extremely hardcore crowd?

They need to open up the 25-man raid instances. In particular, I'm dying to see anything on the Battle of Mt. Hyjal.

Ham n Cheese · 12-03-2006, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deris

Uh you enjoyed the clusterfuck that was Sleeper's Tomb, Vex Thal, The Rathe Council, MC, and BWL?

I'd hate to be you. Public testing like Naxxramas makes shit run infitesimally smoother - Naxx was practically pristine and bug free except for a very few glaring ones like Maexxna LoS issues, and Thaddius LD's.

Does that mean that public testing is for the better? And I don't know how that relates to fun. The guy didn't say "Whew I'm glad I'm done with wow and EQ would never do something like this, GO SOE!.

You know what I think is fun? When I go to a zone that's already working as intended and not worried about some bug fucking me. I don't understand why WoW fans feel so threatened when someone's says they're done with WoW. He also mentioned instances/immersion but you only picked apart what you wanted to, I failed to see your comment regarding that part of his posts. It doesn't sound like public testing is the only reason he stopped.

Quineloe · 12-03-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

I'm glad I'm done with WoW. The idea of public testing is atrocious. As if instancing wasn't enough to completely kill immersion (thanks to millions of people killing the same boss I just killed, not to mention me already having killed him time and time again) they just go and put it all out there for "testing."

lolol immersion

Fammaden · 12-03-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

I don't understand why WoW fans feel so threatened when someone's says they're done with WoW. He also mentioned instances/immersion but you only picked apart what you wanted to, I failed to see your comment regarding that part of his posts. It doesn't sound like public testing is the only reason he stopped.

I don't think people feel threatened so much as offended by having to read completely asinine things. No one really gives a fuck if he is quitting. And he did address the post. Instances and public testing ruin your immersion? OMG I'm not the first person to kill this boss! The point here is that either you are bleeding edge enough to be one of the guilds creating the new strats and mods or you are following in their wake. If you were a bleeding edge person (and I'm not these days) and you remember dealing with BWL, then you would not blink an eye at the idea of public testing. If you aren't bleeding edge then you are getting trickled down content anyway, and you can hardly complain about immersion even in a non instanced world.

I can't believe that people are seriously making posts against public testing on this board after all the garbage we put up with in EQ and all the years of threads SCREAMING for a "real" test server for high end guilds to help get end game content in ship shape rather than shoving unfinished zones and blatant lies down our throats. Didn't we nearly unanimously agree that we would rather wait for shit to come out complete and accept the "l337 b3t4 str4tz" as collateral damage as long as we never had to put up with another Rathe Council or Blackwing Lair? Quit WoW if you like, but stop acting like your personal immersion being potentially compromised is worth going back to the dark ages. Maybe I am too easy on MMO devs, but I have a hard time insisting that all this shit should be prefectly tested internally and come out with nothing that is going to smack the early users of the zone in the face.

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Digits The good news is that you're still alive. The bad news is that that's the good news. Also, you have no legs. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 'Merica, land of the free. Posts: 1,268 +1 Internets	They've admitted as much for months now, since before the start of BC beta as I recall. If they're only saying they're cutting out the penultimate raiding dungeon in the entire expansion I don't think we have too much to complain about, presuming that they won't pull a BWL on us and release it 8 months after retail and that there there's at least a tier of raid dungeons beneath it. __________________ Hatcher No one cares where

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12-03-2006, 01:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jabberwhacky Walker told me I have AIDS Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Busan Posts: 3,333	I'm glad I'm done with WoW. The idea of public testing is atrocious. As if instancing wasn't enough to completely kill immersion (thanks to millions of people killing the same boss I just killed, not to mention me already having killed him time and time again) they just go and put it all out there for "testing."

12-03-2006, 01:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kasonic dumb Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,627 +1 Internets	Jabberwhacky, did you see BWL without public testing? And then Naxxramas, with? Your immersion can go fuck itself. To the OP: Old news, they said some of the raid dungeons wouldn't be complete for retail. This is hardly anything to be sad about unless the raid tiers have been exponentially reduced in farm time or gear requirements.

12-03-2006, 02:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
Phred Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 78 -1 Internets	Yup, it's amazing the difference when a company is up front about what they are doing and don't try to snow their userbase. From what I've seen of bc beta so far it's gonna be a grind to get access and gear to even get into Black Temple very soon so they might have got away with shipping and swearing it was done like SOE would but they didn't.

12-03-2006, 02:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
CXB Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 486 -1 Internets	They mention that in one of the blue posts and add that battleground matchmaking won't be added until a later patch as well. Seeing there's plenty to raid content prior to Illidan, it's not a big deal, but I was looking forward to matched BGs so as not to roll 90% of the groups I play in a group and actually be able to PUG or 2-3 man here and there.

12-03-2006, 04:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
Moontayle Brilliant! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,817	Well, people will still need to gear up. And yes, that includes people in T3. The benefits of sockets cannot be outweighed (plus that's like what... 1% of the WoW population... ooooh). So figure time to level, gearing up through T5 and we're in... May or so for the extremely hardcore crowd? They need to open up the 25-man raid instances. In particular, I'm dying to see anything on the Battle of Mt. Hyjal.