the Black Temple will NOT be ready for burning crusade release.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

I'm glad I'm done with WoW. The idea of public testing is atrocious. As if instancing wasn't enough to completely kill immersion (thanks to millions of people killing the same boss I just killed, not to mention me already having killed him time and time again) they just go and put it all out there for "testing."

And there is his post again. The whole fucking thing is an indictment of PTR. I'm sure it is not "the only reason he stopped" but FFS it was the biggest gripe he had in this particular post. Really, if you don't like killing the same shit over and over, or knowing that other people farm it all week too, then you need to step the fuck away from MMO's until one comes out to break the mold. And in the meantime stop being an attention whore about it. Other people still play and as such actually have a vested interest in what's best for the game. Keep your shithead opinions on public testing to yourself.

[Dynalisia]

Single. Player. Games. Do it!

[Dashal]

I'm not a WoW player but I dont have a problem with this sort of thing. I'd rather see the company be ambitious and add plenty of great content even if it means shipping some of it unfinished, as long as they are up front about it as Bliz appears to be doing here.

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

You know what I think is fun? When I go to a zone that's already working as intended and not worried about some bug fucking me. I don't understand why WoW fans feel so threatened when someone's says they're done with WoW. He also mentioned instances/immersion but you only picked apart what you wanted to, I failed to see your comment regarding that part of his posts. It doesn't sound like public testing is the only reason he stopped.

K you write some software, have 15 testers test it out, and then release it public - let me know how that goes. People *find* bugs. People think of things Developers wouldn't dream of - its reality, its how the world works. Yes in a perfect world everyone could release untested software - but Beta/PTR is an absolute necessity imo for a game of WoW's magnitude, hell ANY software of that magnitude. Why do you think there is a testing process to begin with?

If you want Immersion, Vanguard is -> that way. have fun.

[Ham n Cheese]

I'm not saying I or anyone should expect no bugs, I just think that he was attacked unjustly. Especially because it wasn't his only gripe.

[Deris]

Did you expect any different posting an unrealistic gripe like that on these boards? That post was about as coherent as any of Mataka's random ramblings about hunters, and it was about an aspect that 99.9% of all players LIKE about WoW : a good testing/PTR/Beta process.

WoW isn't the game for those of you who liked the secrecy behind EQ's new encounters, and how loots weren't leaked nor shown to anyone for months ala Vulak'Aerr. Deal with it. Maybe you can make Vanguard that game, but probably not .

[GrobbeeTrull]

It's all bullshit anyway. Unannounced public testing, announced public testing, we're still not getting what we're paying for.

[Dynalisia]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull

It's all bullshit anyway. Unannounced public testing, announced public testing, we're still not getting what we're paying for.

But it's getting there slowly, which is good enough for me at this stage.

I see wow as a more sporty MMO compared to what I've played before. Everything might be known upfront and theres little or no mystique, angels and fairies to discover and fill your head with, but it's not so necessary as the act of just playing the game is just fun.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Deris

Uh you enjoyed the clusterfuck that was Sleeper's Tomb, Vex Thal, The Rathe Council, MC, and BWL?

I'd hate to be you. Public testing like Naxxramas makes shit run infitesimally smoother - Naxx was practically pristine and bug free except for a very few glaring ones like Maexxna LoS issues, and Thaddius LD's.

Of course SOE for all its many, many flaws was still able to release an expansion more than once every two years. If I cared about TBC, I'd be more pissed that even with the two month delay from November Blizz is still unable to release a complete product.

I really don't care one way or the other about public testing but WoW is hardly the be-all or end-all of MMOS

Originally Posted by Quineloe

lolol immersion

And what the fuck is wrong with immersion as an ideal to strive for in MMOs? Seriously -- explain it to me.

[Cybsled]

Immersion is fine, but he griped about mobs respawning in general. Maybe he should stick to Elderscrolls.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

Immersion is fine, but he griped about mobs respawning in general. Maybe he should stick to Elderscrolls.

I re-read the post -- mmm. Yeah, I have to admit my problem with instancing has nothing to do with the fact that my group and group Y are simultaneously (or near simultaneously) killing Rag in different instances.

[Frax]

Considering they claimed TBC has been in design/development since even before the retail release of WoW, there sure seems to be a lot of radical game tweaking still going on six weeks before release. Considering the usual slew of major system problems after a massive MMO patch, I would expect any unfinished content to slip into the summertime...

[eXnihilo]

I don't understand why players feel it's okay to test content without compensation. You're doing work and paying the employer to do it. There's no reason they can't test the content themselves. The bugs that usually pop up are blantantly obvious most of the time. Being taken advantage of like that would just piss me off.

[Dynalisia]

Originally Posted by eXnihilo

I don't understand why players feel it's okay to test content without compensation. You're doing work and paying the employer to do it. There's no reason they can't test the content themselves. The bugs that usually pop up are blantantly obvious most of the time. Being taken advantage of like that would just piss me off.

The key here is that it's still more fun for us to play the game and at times test their game while paying them for it, than not playing WoW at all.

[benbadman]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

lolol immersion

If i want immersion I just leave the office early and get stuck in Atlanta rush-hour traffic.

Haters aside, WOW is pretty much the best fantasy RPG in terms of streamlined, fun (see: not tedious) gameplay--except for farming potions for Naxx bosses, which sucks.