FoH guide to EVE Online - Page 3

Tirinal · 11-17-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by frott

It also seems very "you are a retard if you want to play alone" immediately in the game. Is that true?

Well, yes and no. The framework for corps or just friend contacts is far looser than it is in other games in that you don't need X people doing Y for some set period of days to accomplish something. It depends what you're looking for. You can contract out work to mining corps as a pvp gank team in need of equipment, or hire merc corps to protect your production facilities. You need friends, if only because your enemies in EvE will have very long memories. Not to mention the effect specialization has in all aspects of the game.

But yeah, you won't accomplish anything notable as a one-man operation. There are a few celebrity solo pirates, but they are a rarity.

Wodin edit: The game soloable in that at no point do you have to group to "succeed." You can carve out a niche for yourself. It's just that you won't succeed at anything other than farming ISK and leeching patronage from one larger corp or another. If you want to actually do something you need support.

Tolanin · 11-17-2006, 01:47 PM

early in the game you can solo np... most npc ratting period is done solo or maybe duo, you can mine solo or do missions solo... if you wanna get into the pvp and 0.0 then you need a corp... but its entirely possible and prolly even normal to train up your first million - 2 million sp without grouping up much.

WillzZz · 11-17-2006, 01:58 PM

Frott: I'm having no problem adapting to the game with no prior knowledge just using the tutorial and letting it push me ahead one little bit at a time. I particularly liked that it opened up just a little bit of the interface at a time. Also, it doesn't stop after the initial tutorial shit, and I got a little tutorial popup to buy insurance when I got in my new ship.

Anyways, the tutorial worked great for me. It's a little slow paced and describes everything, at worst it's too slow at getting you through to the action.

The real problem, I think, is if you don't have a mind for the stats and mechanics of gameplay, the various info screens can be a bit daunting.

Wodin · 11-17-2006, 02:20 PM

Oh god, yes. That's one thing we should probably add to the original post.

Right click -> Show Info on absolutely everything you can get your hands on. Curious about something? Right click. Need to find out what exists in a solar system? Right click on space, select stuff from the dropdown. A durable mouse is the best thing ever.

ZeckEQ · 11-17-2006, 02:21 PM

Solo - Easy. I solo a ton, mostly Lvl 3's. I fly a Raven, not quite setup like most others either, I use a full passive tank. I call it the lazy mans mission runner as you turn nothing on, worry about no specific resist and just have to load the right missles and off you go. This is one of the great things in Eve, there is usually more than one way to rig your ship to get the job done.

When I mine I use an second account with some good hauling skills to avoid the ore thieves. I worked my way into a Cov barge and alt uses an Itteron Mark V hauler.

Alts - Only one character at a time can train, keep this in mind. If you want to train up an Alt at the same time as your main, they need to be on their own account.

Dom Devore · 11-17-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wodin

Oh god, yes. That's one thing we should probably add to the original post.

Right click -> Show Info on absolutely everything you can get your hands on. Curious about something? Right click. Need to find out what exists in a solar system? Right click on space, select stuff from the dropdown. A durable mouse is the best thing ever.

You can often just double left click on an item to bring up show info as well. Works for overview objects too.

Gurgeh · 11-17-2006, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frott

It also seems very "you are a retard if you want to play alone" immediately in the game. Is that true?

Depends, if you play casually and are curious Eve can be ok, or if you are very much in trade & industry playing alone is an option. Eve can be a very "zen" game to play in either case. Trade & Industry is a very interesting part of Eve, the other one being politics & alliance warfare, being alone is not an option for this.

Wildstone · 11-17-2006, 04:40 PM

Wanted to use my "Virgin Post" to say Thank God for this thread. Kept trying to get into Eve but the learning curve post-Tutorial is insanely tough.

Some quick questions though.

1. Heard from a few sources that its worth going through tutorial to get some special item that you can sell for quick cash. I might start up the game again, but already understand the basics of control and such Can you skip the tutor and still reap the benefits of it?
2. Can anyone explain the different ways to buy and sell stuff? The tutorial only really explains how to buy/sell to the Empire. I kept getting the feeling that if I only knew how to use the Player Market (or whatever there is) I could be getting more money/cheaper items.

Thanks, and keep up the awesome info.

Dinthug · 11-17-2006, 05:13 PM

There's a pretty big following of people who play EVE on FoH boards, I'm kinda surprised there isn't a sub forum just for EVE, and for that matter WoW, EQ2 and so forth.

Until recently, everything about EVE was posted in one enormous 120 page thread where the same questions and topics came up multiple times. Think it's about time to get a dedicated forum for EVE.

Eomer · 11-17-2006, 05:15 PM

No game has a subforum, and I imagine it will stay that way.

Faille · 11-17-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

No game has a subforum, and I imagine it will stay that way.

agreed.

Also gives people a better chance to get interested in eve. If it was in its own sub forum, only the eve players would go there. Having all the games on one forums lets people who don't play those games see something interesting and learn from the people playing it.

Faille · 11-17-2006, 05:41 PM

Oh, and the sandbox nature of the game seems to be a huge deterant for a lot of people. There is no real end game to aim for. You really need to make your own goals and set about achieving them. Of course it takes bit of knowledge and experience to know what goals you can set and how to go about achieving them.

This is why soloing it still very much an option. There's plenty of stuff you can do solo if that's what you want to do. You will not be able to capture systems and hold them solo though. Most of the exciting stuff you hear about is done at the alliance level, which are groups of corpse (guilds) working together.

Tirinal · 11-17-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildstone

1. Heard from a few sources that its worth going through tutorial to get some special item that you can sell for quick cash. I might start up the game again, but already understand the basics of control and such Can you skip the tutor and still reap the benefits of it?

You get a +1 implant to a random attribute you can sell for around 500k ISK or so after doing a very long and very boring series of courier missions. To this day I have no idea why going half afk for two hours was considered a good idea as an introduction for new players to EvE. Anyway, unless my memory deceives me this has nothing to do with the tutorial and you can just skip the thing to get the mission chain directly from the agent.

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2. Can anyone explain the different ways to buy and sell stuff? The tutorial only really explains how to buy/sell to the Empire. I kept getting the feeling that if I only knew how to use the Player Market (or whatever there is) I could be getting more money/cheaper items.

I could write paragraphs on this. The most basic thing that confuses players is that you want to buy things by browsing by system location and right click->buy now to order the item. Anything else could have you buying stuff 7 jumps away or placing buy orders, which is a sort of escrow IOU promise on future delivery of goods. Your best bet for specific questions would be the newbie channel or searching the eve forums (http://www.eve-search.com/). Or just drop by the FoH channel and pester me when I'm logged on.

xilsharn · 11-17-2006, 06:33 PM

redownloading the client <_<

decairn · 11-17-2006, 06:35 PM

I've played EVE since beta, have to say there is just so much to learn, you're never done because the game is so open ended as to how you can play it and define "success" or "fun"; no tutorial can do it justice. Best way I know of is to get involved with a corporation as early as possible, socialise and specialise as soon as you're comfortable with a certain type of game play you'd like to do.

11-17-2006, 02:20 PM	#34 (permalink)
Wodin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,860 +3 Internets	Oh god, yes. That's one thing we should probably add to the original post. Right click -> Show Info on absolutely everything you can get your hands on. Curious about something? Right click. Need to find out what exists in a solar system? Right click on space, select stuff from the dropdown. A durable mouse is the best thing ever. __________________ Wodin - Troll Rogue - Elitist Jerks - Mal'Ganis

11-17-2006, 05:41 PM	#42 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,526 +3 Internets	Oh, and the sandbox nature of the game seems to be a huge deterant for a lot of people. There is no real end game to aim for. You really need to make your own goals and set about achieving them. Of course it takes bit of knowledge and experience to know what goals you can set and how to go about achieving them. This is why soloing it still very much an option. There's plenty of stuff you can do solo if that's what you want to do. You will not be able to capture systems and hold them solo though. Most of the exciting stuff you hear about is done at the alliance level, which are groups of corpse (guilds) working together. __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/ Last edited by Faille : 11-17-2006 at 05:43 PM.

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11-17-2006, 01:47 PM	#32 (permalink)
Tolanin h8 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,576 +0 Internets	early in the game you can solo np... most npc ratting period is done solo or maybe duo, you can mine solo or do missions solo... if you wanna get into the pvp and 0.0 then you need a corp... but its entirely possible and prolly even normal to train up your first million - 2 million sp without grouping up much.

11-17-2006, 01:58 PM	#33 (permalink)
WillzZz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 849 -2 Internets	Frott: I'm having no problem adapting to the game with no prior knowledge just using the tutorial and letting it push me ahead one little bit at a time. I particularly liked that it opened up just a little bit of the interface at a time. Also, it doesn't stop after the initial tutorial shit, and I got a little tutorial popup to buy insurance when I got in my new ship. Anyways, the tutorial worked great for me. It's a little slow paced and describes everything, at worst it's too slow at getting you through to the action. The real problem, I think, is if you don't have a mind for the stats and mechanics of gameplay, the various info screens can be a bit daunting.

11-17-2006, 02:21 PM	#35 (permalink)
ZeckEQ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 203 +0 Internets	Solo - Easy. I solo a ton, mostly Lvl 3's. I fly a Raven, not quite setup like most others either, I use a full passive tank. I call it the lazy mans mission runner as you turn nothing on, worry about no specific resist and just have to load the right missles and off you go. This is one of the great things in Eve, there is usually more than one way to rig your ship to get the job done. When I mine I use an second account with some good hauling skills to avoid the ore thieves. I worked my way into a Cov barge and alt uses an Itteron Mark V hauler. Alts - Only one character at a time can train, keep this in mind. If you want to train up an Alt at the same time as your main, they need to be on their own account.

11-17-2006, 04:40 PM	#38 (permalink)
Wildstone Meh Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 506 +0 Internets	Wanted to use my "Virgin Post" to say Thank God for this thread. Kept trying to get into Eve but the learning curve post-Tutorial is insanely tough. Some quick questions though. 1. Heard from a few sources that its worth going through tutorial to get some special item that you can sell for quick cash. I might start up the game again, but already understand the basics of control and such Can you skip the tutor and still reap the benefits of it? 2. Can anyone explain the different ways to buy and sell stuff? The tutorial only really explains how to buy/sell to the Empire. I kept getting the feeling that if I only knew how to use the Player Market (or whatever there is) I could be getting more money/cheaper items. Thanks, and keep up the awesome info.

11-17-2006, 05:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
Dinthug Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 362 +0 Internets	There's a pretty big following of people who play EVE on FoH boards, I'm kinda surprised there isn't a sub forum just for EVE, and for that matter WoW, EQ2 and so forth. Until recently, everything about EVE was posted in one enormous 120 page thread where the same questions and topics came up multiple times. Think it's about time to get a dedicated forum for EVE.

11-17-2006, 05:15 PM	#40 (permalink)
Eomer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 8,903 +11 Internets	No game has a subforum, and I imagine it will stay that way.

11-17-2006, 06:33 PM	#44 (permalink)
xilsharn Definitely a chick Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,733 +0 Internets	redownloading the client <_<

11-17-2006, 06:35 PM	#45 (permalink)
decairn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97 +0 Internets	I've played EVE since beta, have to say there is just so much to learn, you're never done because the game is so open ended as to how you can play it and define "success" or "fun"; no tutorial can do it justice. Best way I know of is to get involved with a corporation as early as possible, socialise and specialise as soon as you're comfortable with a certain type of game play you'd like to do.