FoH guide to EVE Online - Page 191

DeusEx · 04-01-2008, 11:55 AM

I do think it is a serious problem of EvE nowadays and it has it's roots in the real time skill training system. 10m SP, which is indeed, often the minimum requirement for a territorial 0.0 corp, equals about 10 months training time, in which the newbie is probably supposed to run missions in empire or even worse hanging out with some awful low sec wannabe pirates that camp a gate the whole night for perhaps 5 ships worth of nothing. There lies the problem right there. EvE doesn't offer a pleasing leveling experience like e.g. WoW does.

The 0.0 corps can't even be blamed for their high SP requirements. As EvE gets older and older it's suspect to mudflation like every other MMO. When it came out in 2003 a Battleship was the best ship available, while now 0.0 warfare revolves around capital and supercapital ships. At least most territorial 0.0 corps want to have T2 capable pilots, hence the 10m SP requirements. Unfortunately newbies have to work up the whole way there. I don't want to know what it will look like when T3 becomes available.

The Graduates seem like a good choice, if you want to get into 0.0 relatively fast, without going the Goon way (you'd need to have a Something Awful account anyway and I personally wouldn't recommend Goonfleet to anyone, since they're very "special").

Wilfan · 04-01-2008, 03:59 PM

Don't forget that you can buy characters and that it's perfectly acceptable by the players. If you want to "powerlevel" yourself, find a source of ISK that suits you. Could be iindustry, ratting, mission whoring, scamming, you name it. Then train your main to excel in it, get a couple of billion ISK than buy a high SP character (most often a a character specialized in a certain area of combat ships).

Then you'll use your old character only as your "identity" (for in-game mail, nickname, hanging around) and will spend most of the time logged-in as your primary activity character. And if you're really into it, you'll put them on separate accounts and dualbox.

WillzZz · 04-03-2008, 04:06 PM

Any of you guys see the red vs blue thing they have going on in Hek system? Might roll a new alt and just go hang out with frigs/cruisers when I'm bored. Basically it's a perma war in empire space where you can blast the other side without penalty. No rules, just a way to get into action pretty quick without all of the politics and crap that goes along with it. Anyone doing it for kicks?

Also, seems like a pretty cool way to get new players into the game.

gavinrad · 04-15-2008, 05:11 PM

so I got it all downloaded, but I'm still waffling about actually subbing.

What do you do for casual play in this game? atm I doubt I would play more than 5-10 hours a week.

*edit* re-subbing, not subbing

Agraza · 04-15-2008, 06:33 PM

run missions? perform research and sell BPCs? I don't know. get in a corp with friends and run mining ops or some such?

Kadmoran · 04-15-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gavinrad

so I got it all downloaded, but I'm still waffling about actually subbing.

What do you do for casual play in this game? atm I doubt I would play more than 5-10 hours a week.

*edit* re-subbing, not subbing

Join the FoH channel and bullshit.

gavinrad · 04-15-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kadmoran

Join the FoH channel and bullshit.

oshi how could i forget

gavinrad · 04-19-2008, 06:13 AM

So what is the fastest way to raise my standing with a research corp? I've been running missions for a low quality lvl 2 int sec agent, but good god this is slow as shit. There has to be something faster, even if it's tedious.

Gryeyes · 04-19-2008, 06:18 AM

I cant recall the names but there are a variety of skills that raise standing and reward with agents. You can do directly to level 2 agents with the skills. its like negotiation and then there are specific skill books for each type of agent that will increase shit more. basically bunch of skills that increase mission running.

Surlok TP · 04-19-2008, 07:33 AM

Yeah go into The social tab in your skills tree and check out those skills,negoation,social,diplomacy.

It takes a good couple days to train them up but alot of them are worth it,bonus faction,plus % of faction,increases in payouts and faction rewards etc.

gavinrad · 04-19-2008, 07:43 AM

yeah, I have a decent amount of points in my social tab. My question was not how to speed up a slow and boring process, my question was, is there a quicker process? I.E. is there a quicker way to raise my standing than combat missions?

Carino · 04-19-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gavinrad

yeah, I have a decent amount of points in my social tab. My question was not how to speed up a slow and boring process, my question was, is there a quicker process? I.E. is there a quicker way to raise my standing than combat missions?

No, not really. If you have Social IV and Connections III or IV, then you're pretty much earning standing as fast as you can by running combat missions. Just keep upgrading agents whenever you get a chance, and always do the storyline mission that is offered every 16 missions.

A different way to improve speed would just be increasing combat skills or flying a better ship to tear through the missions more quickly.

Fog · 04-19-2008, 07:59 AM

Yes. Doing COSMOS missions will really rapidly increase your faction standing, and turning in tags at the data centers will also rapidly increase it (but is expensive.)

gavinrad · 04-19-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Carino

No, not really. If you have Social IV and Connections III or IV, then you're pretty much earning standing as fast as you can by running combat missions. Just keep upgrading agents whenever you get a chance, and always do the storyline mission that is offered every 16 missions.

A different way to improve speed would just be increasing combat skills or flying a better ship to tear through the missions more quickly.

right now im running lvl 2s in a fully fitted drake, I don't think my raven would run them any faster. Guess I'll just keep slogging away at it.

Whats this about COSMOS missions though?

Sudo[CQ] · 04-19-2008, 08:36 AM

Another important tip, make sure that your mission hub/area has a storyline agent for the corp you want to raise... otherwise you'll be raising R&D corp and the storyline will send you to a CONCORD or federation navy or some other entity and you won't get the huge boost to the R&D corp standing for doing the storyline.

Use eve-agents.com to figure out good spots.

04-01-2008, 11:55 AM	#2851 (permalink)
DeusEx Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamburg Posts: 63 +1 Internets	I do think it is a serious problem of EvE nowadays and it has it's roots in the real time skill training system. 10m SP, which is indeed, often the minimum requirement for a territorial 0.0 corp, equals about 10 months training time, in which the newbie is probably supposed to run missions in empire or even worse hanging out with some awful low sec wannabe pirates that camp a gate the whole night for perhaps 5 ships worth of nothing. There lies the problem right there. EvE doesn't offer a pleasing leveling experience like e.g. WoW does. The 0.0 corps can't even be blamed for their high SP requirements. As EvE gets older and older it's suspect to mudflation like every other MMO. When it came out in 2003 a Battleship was the best ship available, while now 0.0 warfare revolves around capital and supercapital ships. At least most territorial 0.0 corps want to have T2 capable pilots, hence the 10m SP requirements. Unfortunately newbies have to work up the whole way there. I don't want to know what it will look like when T3 becomes available. The Graduates seem like a good choice, if you want to get into 0.0 relatively fast, without going the Goon way (you'd need to have a Something Awful account anyway and I personally wouldn't recommend Goonfleet to anyone, since they're very "special"). __________________ I'm not an addict... maybe that's a lie.

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04-01-2008, 03:59 PM	#2852 (permalink)
Wilfan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 389 -2 Internets	Don't forget that you can buy characters and that it's perfectly acceptable by the players. If you want to "powerlevel" yourself, find a source of ISK that suits you. Could be iindustry, ratting, mission whoring, scamming, you name it. Then train your main to excel in it, get a couple of billion ISK than buy a high SP character (most often a a character specialized in a certain area of combat ships). Then you'll use your old character only as your "identity" (for in-game mail, nickname, hanging around) and will spend most of the time logged-in as your primary activity character. And if you're really into it, you'll put them on separate accounts and dualbox.

04-03-2008, 04:06 PM	#2853 (permalink)
WillzZz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 853 -2 Internets	Any of you guys see the red vs blue thing they have going on in Hek system? Might roll a new alt and just go hang out with frigs/cruisers when I'm bored. Basically it's a perma war in empire space where you can blast the other side without penalty. No rules, just a way to get into action pretty quick without all of the politics and crap that goes along with it. Anyone doing it for kicks? Also, seems like a pretty cool way to get new players into the game.

04-15-2008, 06:33 PM	#2855 (permalink)
Agraza Bored of WoW Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 998	run missions? perform research and sell BPCs? I don't know. get in a corp with friends and run mining ops or some such?

04-19-2008, 06:18 AM	#2859 (permalink)
Gryeyes Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 818 -3 Internets	I cant recall the names but there are a variety of skills that raise standing and reward with agents. You can do directly to level 2 agents with the skills. its like negotiation and then there are specific skill books for each type of agent that will increase shit more. basically bunch of skills that increase mission running.

04-19-2008, 07:33 AM	#2860 (permalink)
Surlok TP Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 1,432 -1 Internets	Yeah go into The social tab in your skills tree and check out those skills,negoation,social,diplomacy. It takes a good couple days to train them up but alot of them are worth it,bonus faction,plus % of faction,increases in payouts and faction rewards etc.

04-19-2008, 07:59 AM	#2863 (permalink)
Fog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,568 +1 Internets	Yes. Doing COSMOS missions will really rapidly increase your faction standing, and turning in tags at the data centers will also rapidly increase it (but is expensive.)

04-19-2008, 08:36 AM	#2865 (permalink)
Sudo[CQ] Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12 +0 Internets	Another important tip, make sure that your mission hub/area has a storyline agent for the corp you want to raise... otherwise you'll be raising R&D corp and the storyline will send you to a CONCORD or federation navy or some other entity and you won't get the huge boost to the R&D corp standing for doing the storyline. Use eve-agents.com to figure out good spots.