FoH guide to EVE Online

[OneofOne]

Originally Posted by ...

With thet new changes to LP, I can now strait up buy a +4 implant for 12k LP. What i'm wondering however; Is there a set of +4 implants offered higher in the LP charts? if so, should I wait for a more efficient deal?

No, just the regular +1 - +5 implants (you can show all available, not just what you can afford). For a non-pvp type the +5's are very affordable now, and if I wasn't planning on pew pewing on a more regular basis soon I'd upgrade to those.

[Draegan]

I'm trying to get a grasp on cash flow. I'm starting to round up on my learning skills. I'll have level 4 in mem/int in about 10 hours or so and I'm looking at the prices on the advanced skills and I'm seeing 4.5mil on both of them. I guess I'll be skipping those and working on getting cybernetics.

Anyway, what kind of cash flow should I be expecting at my noob status? I'm still doing the chain of tutorial missions (go go casual schedule) and I'm sitting at around 5mil in ISK atm.

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Anyone happen to know how much LP +5's cost now?

Originally Posted by Draegan

Anyway, what kind of cash flow should I be expecting at my noob status? .

It's kind of hard to gauge. I think it's a good yardstick that a player can live quite well killing and salvaging the missions they run. if you can do better than that doing something else, then you're doing awesome. if you do worse, you need a better plan.

[Tripamang]

Originally Posted by ...

Anyone happen to know how much LP +5's cost now?





It's kind of hard to gauge. I think it's a good yardstick that a player can live quite well killing and salvaging the missions they run. if you can do better than that doing something else, then you're doing awesome. if you do worse, you need a better plan.

65K LP + 65 Mill

[Alexzandra]

So I take it with the changes to LP, I should go ahead and buy the connections books relevent to the mission types I'm running and a set of +4s (I'm still using +3s)?

Getting that Navy Raven seems a lot easier now...

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On the topic of cosmos agents:

COSMOS Gallente, Constelation Algintal
Alsottobier Security: 0.5
Contested Canyon of Rust
Audaerne Security: 0.5
Augnais Security: 0.5
Nickel & Dime Store
Pattok Nortul Thukker Tribe Trust Partners Distribution 1 0
Iliere Angetyn Thukker Tribe Trust Partners Distribution 2 0
Rogue Drone Asteroid Infestation

this was on the gallente COSMOS list, yet it's a minmatar factioned npc. will it's story mission give minmatar faction (which i don't care about) or gallante?

[Faille]

Originally Posted by Gwen Rockpounder

I've been, until the last week, an Amarr pilot only, ...

Don't give in to the dark side!!


Personally I'm aiming for Dreads in order to try out the L5 missions.

Hopefully it will be able to tank them effectively.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Draegan

I'm trying to get a grasp on cash flow. I'm starting to round up on my learning skills. I'll have level 4 in mem/int in about 10 hours or so and I'm looking at the prices on the advanced skills and I'm seeing 4.5mil on both of them. I guess I'll be skipping those and working on getting cybernetics.

Anyway, what kind of cash flow should I be expecting at my noob status? I'm still doing the chain of tutorial missions (go go casual schedule) and I'm sitting at around 5mil in ISK atm.

A new player has the capability to run level 2 missions pretty much as soon as you can fly a cruiser and have standings for a level 2 agent, and level 3 missions as soon as you can fly a battlecruiser and have standings for a level 3 agent. Running level 2s will give you perhaps a few million isk/hour, and 3s will give you around 10 million isk/hour, depending on how much you value LPs.

[Draegan]

Hmm I'm about an hour training time from getting into a Gallente cruiser. However I couldn't afford the ship/fittings/insurance if I went that way. Right now I'm rolling in an Imicus fitted out with level 1 stuff.

[Bottle]

Heat is actually pretty cool.

Alpha strike on my Pest is that much more lethal.

I was fighting an Astarte one on one with my Sleipnir and for fun I tried the heat and I raped him so bad he typed "WTF" in local.

All in all it was a fun first night. Except for the part where I went to check my skills and crashed to the desktop. Plus the icons are too big now.

[Tripamang]

Originally Posted by ...

On the topic of cosmos agents:



this was on the gallente COSMOS list, yet it's a minmatar factioned npc. will it's story mission give minmatar faction (which i don't care about) or gallante?

Minmatar, the gallente cosmos list is just a list of agents in the gallente cosmos constellations.

[Madrugan]

Without wanting to tread on dangerous 'Trade Secretz' ground, could folks outline what about research/production generates a steady cash flow? What are the elements involved in doing so (Mining for mats to make items and sell em, or just selling researched bpc's?) Is it easier to generate that income with your own POS? What is passive income and how is it had? All of this intrigues me, me being just a combat pilot as of now.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Madrugan

Without wanting to tread on dangerous 'Trade Secretz' ground, could folks outline what about research/production generates a steady cash flow? What are the elements involved in doing so (Mining for mats to make items and sell em, or just selling researched bpc's?) Is it easier to generate that income with your own POS? What is passive income and how is it had? All of this intrigues me, me being just a combat pilot as of now.

Well, keep in mind that you can produce items directly from a BPO. The only reason to create BPCs, as far as I know, (during which time your blueprint will be busy researching and you can't produce with it) is to either sell the BPCs or give them away so that someone else can produce your item. So if you're copying a blueprint presumably you are doing so in order to sell it to someone.

Right now I'm willing to be that the best production money is to be had in invention. Tech 1 items are so easy to produce that there is already a huge volume market dedicated to producing them, with very slim profit margins, so unless you have maxed skills and produce in bulk you will probably have a difficult time making significant money producing T1. (That is, unless you're exporting/importing it, which is definitely REALLY profitable if you have a good way to get it from point A to point B.)

If you have your own POS, you have two good bonuses:

- You can research blueprints without waiting for a lab slot to open. (Public ME research slots in empire have huge wait queues, on the order of a month.)

- You can produce blueprints without waiting for a factory slot to open. (Same as above.)

So if you are producing seriously this is probably a good idea.

[Sancus]

You can actually find copy slots(for invention) in Empire fairly easily if you're willing to look and go into lowsec, ME research though forget it. Also just because a slot is occupied doesn't mean anything, if its got like a day wait quite often I just queue it up and wait the extra day.

Once you have 500M or 1B saved up, then I would go to a POS, fuel is cheap, but mobile labs and the tower itself are expensive and only give you one copy slot per lab so you need some startup capital. You'll also want about 300M capital for skills and the data interface if you are going into invention even without a POS, the encryption skills and secondary science skills aren't cheap.

All this startup capital and training time is the reason that invention is profitable, though, as lots and lots of the population aren't willing to put in 1+ billion without immediate return, but practically every worthwhile passive income endeavour requires significant startup capital.

[Tripamang]

Max run cruiser sized ship BPO copying is big right now, you can do about one max run copy in 4 days with a shitty alt account. That'll give you about 8 mill per BPO you copy per slot every 4 days. You can get 6 slots out of the Achura start up character with a 20% reduction in copy time.

so 8x6x7=336mill of passive income a month. The BPO's don't have to be researched because the ME/PE mean nothing for invention. You could technically make back your intial investment+profit off a character you can generate with no training required in less than a month. There will be slight wait times for the slots, but in low sec empire it's typically 3-4 days max.

You could then use the isk you get from this, invest it into a small pos. Use the small pos to research BPO's to ME 20 or so and resell them at considerable mark ups, you can again use an Achura alt with a few days training and be doing it 10% faster than empire slots with no wait.

This just compounds as you gain isk, eventually you can get enough capital to make serious isk controlling the market in trade hubs like Jita/Rens/Amarr. There are people who pick high volume items and price fix, you just always need the capital to buyout the order that beats yours.