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Kazgrim · 05-09-2007, 02:47 AM

Yeah I know whats optimal for support fleet I was merely discussing theoretical potential.

Also I don't really get the myrmidon love. Sure's its an awesome BC...maybe even the best BC...but you can't say its overpowered, hell I don't see a reason to fly one. It handles like a battleship, and costs about 7mil less than a dominix which is superior to it in every way possible and can do lvl 4's with half the sp investment. The OP'dness of the domi completely overshadows the OP'dness of the myrm.

Fog · 05-09-2007, 03:09 AM

A) You can passive tank it which is cool.

B) You don't have to train Gallente Cruiser IV.

That's about it.

Faille · 05-09-2007, 03:25 AM

Having BC at 4 is nice to be able to switch to any of the BC's you want quite easily.

FoghornDeadhorn · 05-09-2007, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazgrim

Yeah I know whats optimal for support fleet I was merely discussing theoretical potential.

Also I don't really get the myrmidon love. Sure's its an awesome BC...maybe even the best BC...but you can't say its overpowered, hell I don't see a reason to fly one. It handles like a battleship, and costs about 7mil less than a dominix which is superior to it in every way possible and can do lvl 4's with half the sp investment. The OP'dness of the domi completely overshadows the OP'dness of the myrm.

...right well typically it takes less SP to run L4s in your average BS vs. your average BC I'm not sure I see your point...the Myrm is quicker to get into and doesn't require you to invest in racial BS skills to fly. I really wouldn't say that the Domi is "superior to it in every way" other than the fact that it's a BS. Here's a movie for you.

EVE Files - /media/corp/Xeom/Viciously.wmv

I think we've covered the reasons training a Myrm is great pretty well.

PS: Vid starts out kinda slow, Myrm on Myrm...might as well be two prot wars going at it. But god damn does it heat up.

dorinn · 05-09-2007, 03:36 AM

no Battlecruiser will match a comparison with a battleship in the same role as it, the myrm is quite close how ever and does the same dps when nos fitted as a domi. while fitted like that it does not have the flexibility of a domi but it´s nnot to far off.

NolwenSolRo · 05-09-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizanich

Those new starbase arrays are going to really change things. A system wide cyno jammer? All the POS weapon systems outside the POS?

It'll give something for the small ships to do, at least.

Yesh the POS changes are going to make things very interesting, but I'm starting to think they're just trying to throw the player base a bone so they shut up about the horrible sov system. Also it may be too many changes way too fast and it'll end up introducing lots and lots of new bugs.

Guns outside the POS shield are LOL. I disarmed an entire large death star by myself in under 20 min with my Moros on SiSi.

Khorum · 05-09-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dorinn

no Battlecruiser will match a comparison with a battleship in the same role as it, the myrm is quite close how ever and does the same dps when nos fitted as a domi. while fitted like that it does not have the flexibility of a domi but it´s nnot to far off.

The problem is that the dominix is only 10 mill more than the Myrmidon tops. I LOVE the myrmidon, not just for its utility but mostly because it looks pretty cool. But if you're looking for a disposable ship to spam in a protracted campaign or some empire heist, it's pretty hard to ignore the Dominix (assuming you have the drone and hybrid skills).

The Domi has a 5% bonus to large hybrid damage per level too; it's one of the few ships whose skill bonuses are all offensive. Since Large NOS are much more imba, you don't get to see a lot of domis with large hybrids and the myrmidon's tank bonus can seem more handy. A brawler domi fitted with T2 large blasters is pretty fucking insane though.

Bizanich · 05-09-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NolwenSolRo

Yesh the POS changes are going to make things very interesting, but I'm starting to think they're just trying to throw the player base a bone so they shut up about the horrible sov system. Also it may be too many changes way too fast and it'll end up introducing lots and lots of new bugs.

Guns outside the POS shield are LOL. I disarmed an entire large death star by myself in under 20 min with my Moros on SiSi.

Yeah, I'm very curious to see which way this goes. Maybe the energy neutralizers + focus fire will burn down dreads....or maybe the guns will just get hit by 3 doomsdays and die horribly.

Motherships will be running around eviscerating all the POS defenses as well.

Sancus · 05-09-2007, 09:51 AM

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The problem is that the dominix is only 10 mill more than the Myrmidon tops.

That's really a problem with the Dominix being way too good all-around, it is by far the most powerful T1 battleship and probably one of the best battleships in the game. Saying the Myrmidon isn't overpowered because "look, the domi!" is silly, compare the domi to all the other bcs and they match up far, far worse than the Myrm.

NolwenSolRo · 05-09-2007, 10:28 AM

Doomsday's wont help too much, they still have a lot of hp. Would probly take at least 6 of them to disable the guns. However the HP is still stupid low. Note when I say completely disarm I mean an 8 hardener 8 gun (3 large 5 med/small) POS. Each large gun took about 5 minutes to kill the rest went down quickly.

Personally I've always liked the idea of a Sov POS that you can only have 3 or 5 of in a system. Then a logistics pos for production etc with less defensive capabilities. Make it so that is the max number of sov POS that can be in a system no matter the alliance. That way to get a good foothold in an enemy system you have to take out a POS. You could still use a logistics POS to jump caps in and stuff.

dorinn · 05-09-2007, 05:35 PM

while the dominix is probably one of the best solo battleship, calling it the best battleship is quite a stretch that is depends completely on what your trying to do.

Tripamang · 05-09-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dorinn

while the dominix is probably one of the best solo battleship, calling it the best battleship is quite a stretch that is depends completely on what your trying to do.

It's the best solo pwn battleship

Xequecal · 05-09-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripamang

It's the best solo pwn battleship

It's also incredibly cheap, 40m after insurance, so you can pretty much throw them away. Gangs are using these to suicide gank FREIGHTERS in highsec, it's hard to come up with something more profitable if you've got the organization. 10 Domis with cheap T1 fittings cost 500m and can easily pop a freighter carrying 2 bil+ in cargo before they get concorded.

Tolanin · 05-09-2007, 06:18 PM

I dont think the domi is any better than the scorp as a T1 BS, they just do totally different things... fact that domi is decent in missions and a good solo pwnmobile is made up for by the fact that its a terrible fleet ship.

Fog · 05-09-2007, 07:51 PM

All of the battleships are fine. Well, besides the Maelstrom.

05-09-2007, 03:25 AM	#1863 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,519 +3 Internets	Having BC at 4 is nice to be able to switch to any of the BC's you want quite easily. __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

05-09-2007, 10:28 AM	#1870 (permalink)
NolwenSolRo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin Posts: 87 +0 Internets	Doomsday's wont help too much, they still have a lot of hp. Would probly take at least 6 of them to disable the guns. However the HP is still stupid low. Note when I say completely disarm I mean an 8 hardener 8 gun (3 large 5 med/small) POS. Each large gun took about 5 minutes to kill the rest went down quickly. Personally I've always liked the idea of a Sov POS that you can only have 3 or 5 of in a system. Then a logistics pos for production etc with less defensive capabilities. Make it so that is the max number of sov POS that can be in a system no matter the alliance. That way to get a good foothold in an enemy system you have to take out a POS. You could still use a logistics POS to jump caps in and stuff. __________________

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05-09-2007, 02:47 AM	#1861 (permalink)
Kazgrim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 433 +2 Internets	Yeah I know whats optimal for support fleet I was merely discussing theoretical potential. Also I don't really get the myrmidon love. Sure's its an awesome BC...maybe even the best BC...but you can't say its overpowered, hell I don't see a reason to fly one. It handles like a battleship, and costs about 7mil less than a dominix which is superior to it in every way possible and can do lvl 4's with half the sp investment. The OP'dness of the domi completely overshadows the OP'dness of the myrm.

05-09-2007, 03:09 AM	#1862 (permalink)
Fog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,559 +0 Internets	A) You can passive tank it which is cool. B) You don't have to train Gallente Cruiser IV. That's about it.

05-09-2007, 03:36 AM	#1865 (permalink)
dorinn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13 +0 Internets	no Battlecruiser will match a comparison with a battleship in the same role as it, the myrm is quite close how ever and does the same dps when nos fitted as a domi. while fitted like that it does not have the flexibility of a domi but it´s nnot to far off.

05-09-2007, 05:35 PM	#1871 (permalink)
dorinn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13 +0 Internets	while the dominix is probably one of the best solo battleship, calling it the best battleship is quite a stretch that is depends completely on what your trying to do.

05-09-2007, 06:18 PM	#1874 (permalink)
Tolanin h8 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,564 +2 Internets	I dont think the domi is any better than the scorp as a T1 BS, they just do totally different things... fact that domi is decent in missions and a good solo pwnmobile is made up for by the fact that its a terrible fleet ship.

05-09-2007, 07:51 PM	#1875 (permalink)
Fog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,559 +0 Internets	All of the battleships are fine. Well, besides the Maelstrom.