FoH guide to EVE Online

[WillzZz]

Originally Posted by Mist

Pilgrims get a bonus to NOS. A big one. +20% drain amount per level.

Oh, Ill shut up then. I thought curse was the NOS bonus ship, what is Curse, just nos range?

[Carino]

Curse has both.

"Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level"

[Lorrac]

Field recons have 2 special boni, the other recon has 1 special boni + cov ops cloack cpu bonus (aka, enables you to fit a cov ops cloack).

[Kazgrim]

The only real question is why on earth EANMx2 instead of subbing one of those for a DCII? is CPU fitting that tight on the build?

[Faille]

Originally Posted by Kazgrim

The only real question is why on earth EANMx2 instead of subbing one of those for a DCII? is CPU fitting that tight on the build?

I would assume because eanm2 provide much better resists then a dc2?

[Mist]

With two reppers I think 2x EAMN2 would be better. You're actually going to be able to out repair things, rather than rely on tanking in structure to last as long as possible.

[Dildo Faggins]

Originally Posted by Mist

With two reppers I think 2x EAMN2 would be better. You're actually going to be able to out repair things, rather than rely on tanking in structure to last as long as possible.

A dc2 is most likely better. The second EANM with good skills would provide -24 to damage versus a dc2's -15 to damage. Since eanm is stacking penalized itd be about -20.9% damage per hit on second one. The question is does this compensate for having less shield resist and missing out the 120% extra hull you get from a DC2? The only case where this would be true is if their dps was in the small range from where you could tank it sustainably with the setup you have, and you couldnt tank it sustainably with the DC setup and assuming the enemy is so tanked that the fight lasts a long time. In all other situations the DC is superior. The chance that someone is doing within that small range of damage while having such a superior tank is just non-existant. The extra tank on your structure would make DC far superior against a very high dps person where you dip into structure frequently, and against someone with low dps, both tanks work equally.

[Mist]

Ok, maybe its the fitting then. :P

[Kazgrim]

bleh I actually misread that and didn't see the EANM II, however I'd still fit a DCII + EANM II over 2 EANM II's due to the way stacking penalties work and also due to shield and hull bonuses.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Broham

Ugh, yeah just thinking about that now is what's keeping me from making a purchase.

I must say though, the game is great when you should be doing homework and such in college, set it and forget it while you actually do the work you're supposed to be doing.

To be honest, one of the things I like most about EVE (after going 6-days-a-week hardcore raid mode in WoW for a year and a bit) is that it gives me excuses not to play all day sometimes. Oh, I'll take two days off until I can fit that T2 XL SB; I'll put away my Hawk until I can get T2 rocket spec up; I'm going to go do something else tonight until I can jump out of my implant clone.

It is life-friendly

[gavinrad]

heres a quick question: i hear people talk about ratting BShips with a frig, and I believe that its possible from being fast and having good resists, w/e. My question is, even with good weapons, doesn't this take forever? Im mostly just curious.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Originally Posted by gavinrad

heres a quick question: i hear people talk about ratting BShips with a frig, and I believe that its possible from being fast and having good resists, w/e. My question is, even with good weapons, doesn't this take forever? Im mostly just curious.

Depends on what you fly but it's obviously a lot slower than in a BS. I would say most frigs (and I mean T2 frigs here) couldn't break your average BS tank tbh, but some hit a fair bit harder than others.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by gavinrad

heres a quick question: i hear people talk about ratting BShips with a frig, and I believe that its possible from being fast and having good resists, w/e. My question is, even with good weapons, doesn't this take forever? Im mostly just curious.

It does take forever. It's a lousy idea. Better to do it in a BC or BS or one of the high-damage-output AFs.

[Tirinal]

It's okay if you're in an ishkur or a blaster harpy. Not that there's much point.

Unless you specialize in some other means of isk generation like exploration or whatever, standard operating procedure is to get lvl III skills in as big a ship as you can as quickly as you can, and only then branch off into fun stuff once you have a reliable isk printing machine. It really doesn't take that long regardless.

[Xequecal]

People rat BSs with frigs because you can actually reliably get a frig out to 0.0 to rat without losing it. Assault frigs can dodge gate camps with MWDs and are cheap to lose, if you try to go to 0.0 in a BS you're risking instant death after every stargate, no way to avoid the camps.

Curse is like the ultimate solo pwnmobile besides capital ships, though. 4x NOS on a Curse will suck enough cap that you can run an active shield tank and an active armor tank at the same time, indefinetly. You can take on multiple ships at a time, damp one into uselessness while tanking another's damage and sucking it dry.

4x Medium Diminishing NOS
1x Improved Cloak II

2x Phased Muon Sensor Dampener
1x Y-T8 MWD
Medium Shield Booster II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Domination 30km scram

MAR II
EANM II
DCU II
Energized Thermic Membrane II

Fits with 6 CPU left over. There's not enough CPU to fit a Tech 2 shield hardener, so I used the Heat Dissipation Amplifier. It leaves you with only 12.5% shield EM resistance, but EM damage is rare in PvP anyway.

In a gang where you have others to scramble for you, you can drop the scrambler and cloak, and fit another dampener, a tracking disruptor, or more shield tank. If you add in an Ancillary Current Router you can also fit a fifth NOS.