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Erie · 11-24-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzena

Yes, but WoW was the first MMOG for a lot of people...and also the first western one to make business-types sit up, take notice and go "Holy mother of fuck, money hats for all!"

So since WoW had a lot of people, it was completely original? Not getting your point.

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Originally Posted by Itzena

And the increased regen with the latest expansion, of course. I expect rested xp with the next, to be honest.

Increased regen... are you kidding me? WOW, it's so groundbreaking. Just because they will increase it means it's becoming more wow-like? That's like saying wow is a copy of eq since they're both mmorpgs. Even your obsessive hate replies are lacking reason to hate the game.

Itzena · 11-24-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Erie

So since WoW had a lot of people, it was completely original? Not getting your point.

My point is...you know the mindset certain people have about EQ founding the MMOg genre (despite UO/M59/The Realm/etc)? Expect a whole lot more people to think the same thing about WoW.

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Increased regen... are you kidding me? WOW, it's so groundbreaking. Just because they will increase it means it's becoming more wow-like? That's like saying wow is a copy of eq since they're both mmorpgs. Even your obsessive hate replies are lacking reason to hate the game.

I don't know why I'm even bothering to try and reason with a frothing fanatic such as yourself, but yes - when EQ completely changes their downtime regen so that you can get full mana/hp after a minute or so out of combat after six years of 'lol lern 2 wait'...that's a pretty sure sign of being influenced by WoW.

Please also note that I'm not claiming it's a bad thing.

Laerazi · 11-24-2006, 04:27 PM

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I don't know why I'm even bothering to try and reason with a frothing fanatic such as yourself

Yes, because you're one to talk about frothing fanatics...

Dashal · 11-24-2006, 04:33 PM

I think people are associating "newbie casual friendly" with "WoW-ification" which makes sense but it's not a Bliz invention. Seems to me the objective is to yes, make it obvious how to play the basic game, make it playable in 1 hour spurts and soloable. They want to appeal to a broad range of people, and it would make sense that they always had that ideal in mind.

However you also have aspects of the game that appeal to MMO veterans. Flying mounts, boats, raids, grouping content, more involved quests etc etc.

Dashal · 11-24-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzena

My point is...you know the mindset certain people have about EQ founding the MMOg genre (despite UO/M59/The Realm/etc)? Expect a whole lot more people to think the same thing about WoW.

Yes this is a very good point and I dont think there's any debating it. A lot of people I know at work are absolutely clueless as to what EQ is/was, but they have level 60 Paladins and Rogues on some WoW server somewhere. It's kinda fun talking to them because they know I dont play WoW so they try to explain to me what a "tank" is like I wouldnt know

D3ll · 11-24-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dashal

Yes this is a very good point and I dont think there's any debating it. A lot of people I know at work are absolutely clueless as to what EQ is/was, but they have level 60 Paladins and Rogues on some WoW server somewhere. It's kinda fun talking to them because they know I dont play WoW so they try to explain to me what a "tank" is like I wouldnt know

I've got a few people at work like that, it's amazing how giddy and excited they get when talking about WOW.

"And then we killed this boss with this speciall AE attack that only went out in front of him, so we had to turn him to kill him with everyone standing behind him and then........"

It's like that's nice, I can't believe I was like that 7 years ago about MMOs.

Etadanik · 11-24-2006, 07:05 PM

It's also a reason why many ex-EQ people can't get excited about WoW - it's all so similar as to have become cliche...

Arbitrary · 11-24-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzena

And the increased regen with the latest expansion, of course. I expect rested xp with the next, to be honest.

You mean like Veteran double exp? Been around for a while now.

Soygen · 11-24-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Laerazi

Yes, because you're one to talk about frothing fanatics...

Well, I'll give Itzena a little credit. He's not quite frothing. Definitely a fanatic though...

Deris · 11-24-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

Well, I'll give Itzena a little credit. He's not quite frothing. Definitely a fanatic though...

wait wait wait... you mean Itzena ISN'T a chick?!?!?!?!?!oneone111!!??

FohMD · 11-24-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deris

wait wait wait... you mean Itzena ISN'T a chick?!?!?!?!?!oneone111!!??

Not since the operation.

Itzena · 11-25-2006, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

Well, I'll give Itzena a little credit. He's not quite frothing. Definitely a fanatic though...

You should have seen me back in the days of playing human purist on Vallon Zek. Fuck the crossteamers!

vynde · 11-25-2006, 11:41 AM

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human purist on Vallon Zek. Fuck the crossteamers!

oh my god! hes a nazi!

Lyenae · 11-25-2006, 12:10 PM

VG talk is starting to get real boring btw.

The Hiram Key · 11-25-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyenae

VG talk is starting to get real boring btw.

Finally the chatter is lining up perfectly with the game itself

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11-24-2006, 04:33 PM	#829 (permalink)
Dashal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,278 +2 Internets	I think people are associating "newbie casual friendly" with "WoW-ification" which makes sense but it's not a Bliz invention. Seems to me the objective is to yes, make it obvious how to play the basic game, make it playable in 1 hour spurts and soloable. They want to appeal to a broad range of people, and it would make sense that they always had that ideal in mind. However you also have aspects of the game that appeal to MMO veterans. Flying mounts, boats, raids, grouping content, more involved quests etc etc.

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Etadanik Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,643 +0 Internets	It's also a reason why many ex-EQ people can't get excited about WoW - it's all so similar as to have become cliche...

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Lyenae Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,664 -103 Internets	VG talk is starting to get real boring btw.