Lots of new Vanguard info released, plus videos & screenshots

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Wizerud

I'd bet the total number of people who've stopped playing WoW outnumbers those who've stopped playing EQ (or any other Sony game).

Obviously. When you have millions of people playing the game you will have more people leaving it. A more interesting figure would be a percentage of people quitting. Or take in the average time accounts are active for (discounting the banned accounts).

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Game here
Wiki (which you will need) here. I strongly recommend that you read everything in the 'New to Dwarf Fortress' section.

I may do a thread for it in the Other Games board in a while.

Is this game for real or is it sort of Vanguard hoax? The development section got me wondering. I mean they even got diplomacy and the world map looks similar. Could be a pretty good clone that should run quite well on older systems also.

[D3ll]

My brother says you can fly around on a griffon now in VG.

[Dashal]

Indeed

[Nairbog]

Originally Posted by vynde

so true. i am interested in vanguard but i wonder if the arrogant pricks at the vg boards will be worse than the 1337 wow kiddies

you both are 06'ers, don't really think you're the ones to be extending these judgements. Neither am I of course, I just had to point this out.

[Itzena]

Speaking of the VG forums, the natives are getting restless.

[Tred]

That thread is hilarious. So basically mini map = game plays itself? And they blast the WoW population for being immature children. Oh the irony, it hurts.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Speaking of the VG forums, the natives are getting restless.

People that center their text to stand out should be harmed.

[Dashal]

Yes everyone with some pre-conceived notion about VG should listen to that podcast. I personally think Jeff made a lot of sense, others may not.

[Aegorian]

Originally Posted by Dashal

Yes everyone with some pre-conceived notion about VG should listen to that podcast. I personally think Jeff made a lot of sense, others may not.

The biggest misconception in my eyes came from 3-4 years ago when they decided to mention "The Vision". From that point on, the expectation was to implement every single detail of The Vision to the letter with little regard to any developments of the 2nd gen games. Despite the fact that devs admit that in retrospect they had made mistakes when developing The Vision, people still expected it. I dont recall the dev quotes from day 1 of Vanguard, but i do know that for the 2 years i've been following beta closely, the devs have been touting "A Vision" not "The Vision". They have A Vision for Vanguard that isnt The Vision. unfortunately, this is creating huge disconnect between expectations and delivery.

*shrugs* i've been over it since day one and personally dont understand people that have such an e-peen hard-on for a return to EQ. But to each their own. I just hope they can handle the fact that MMOs have progressed to use mechanics that make gameplay more efficient at the cost of tedium. Unforunately defining tedium is a whole nother debate that i'd rather not get into.

[D3ll]

Does anyone remember them touting niche game? The WoW fanbase must be the niche they were talking about.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Dashal

Yes everyone with some pre-conceived notion about VG should listen to that podcast. I personally think Jeff made a lot of sense, others may not.

Jeff made alot of sense....if they were making a Wow clone. From the very first whispers of Vanguard back in early 2003 (maybe even earlier) this was going to be a hard, challenging, non-spoon fed type of game. I don't argue with them changing the business model to try and recoup some of the untold millions and millions that have been dumped into VG so far, but you need to understand the grand scheme of this bait and switch that Jeff and Brad are now so very close to pulling off.

How long Brad until Smed "wrestles creative control" away from you and Jeff and you two piss yet another hissy fit and run away to start "your own company and build the game you always wanted to without interference".

Such horseshit.

[Slick Willey]

Originally Posted by D3ll

Does anyone remember them touting niche game? The WoW fanbase must be the niche they were talking about.

Please, go back to the VG boards. Either you have never played Vanguard or are just plain stupid. To say that VG is catering to WoW-style MMORPGs or even implying it is a "WoW-clone" is just ignorance at its best. Just because the two games have SOME mechanics in common does not a WoW-clone Vanguard make. ANYBODY who has half a brain and has played the two games knows they are different games offering different gaming experiences.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Slick Willey

Please, go back to the VG boards. Either you have never played Vanguard or are just plain stupid. To say that VG is catering to WoW-style MMORPGs or even implying it is a "WoW-clone" is just ignorance at its best. Just because the two games have SOME mechanics in common does not a WoW-clone Vanguard make. ANYBODY who has half a brain and has played the two games knows they are different games offering different gaming experiences.

I agree with you Willey, but you need to understand that the winds of change over there, which used to be very light, and only slightly towards the Wow model, are now a strong gale, and have centered squarely on that portion of the market. As I said, it's understandable, and I don't think anyone is saying they are the same game and offer nothing different.

No more CR unless on a special server ? If you have followed VG since the beginning, you would know just how huge a change this really is (could be).

I can't even imagine the amount of pressure brought to bear here to get these types of changes pushed through. Who pray tell, has that kind of horse power to take a big shit all over "the Vison II" and force this to happen?

Hmmm.... . I wonder who the big dolla investers in VG are now.... Oh thats right !!

It's Smed.

[holymight]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I agree with you Willey, but you need to understand that the winds of change over there, which used to be very light, and only slightly towards the Wow model, are now a strong gale, and have centered squarely on that portion of the market. As I said, it's understandable, and I don't think anyone is saying they are the same game and offer nothing different.

No more CR unless on a special server ? If you have followed VG since the beginning, you would know just how huge a change this really is (could be).

I can't even imagine the amount of pressure brought to bear here to get these types of changes pushed through. Who pray tell, has that kind of horse power to take a big shit all over "the Vison II" and force this to happen?

Hmmm.... . I wonder who the big dolla investers in VG are now.... Oh thats right !!

It's Smed.

Great, more SOE conspiracy theories. The changes to the game has nothing to do with SOE. There are many people on the team and they all have a say in how the game is made. It just so happens that Brad is not in a majority when it comes to mandatory CRs with no alternative. Brad is smart enough to listen to his team and not just dictate the game all by himself.