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[Whoknows]

so, Twobits, just exactly how much of VG have you played? What level is your character? What class. Would be interesting to know what real experience you have with the game.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

With respect to the NDA --I'm simply tired of you and 2bit getting away with creating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

Well, from where I am standing you talk out the side of your head with regards to the NDA. Only too happy to talk all about VG and your whatever foreign relatives experience, but when twobit calls you out, you hide behind the "It's under NDA ! So sorry" bullshit card.

I don't mind you breaking it (or honoring it) but at least pick a side and stay on it.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Whoknows

so, Twobits, just exactly how much of VG have you played? What level is your character? What class. Would be interesting to know what real experience you have with the game.

Played since early Beta 3, and yes I have played in Beta 4. Highest character is over 30, but I don't play it much anymore because I have been playing the new races/classes in the new areas.

[tad10]

Oh I'm all for honoring the spirit of the NDA. But I'll breach the substance when you guys post total bullshit (e.g. there are no shadows in VG). Once the NDA drops I'll be happy to give my complete opinion of the game (good and bad).

Originally Posted by Whoknows

so, Twobits, just exactly how much of VG have you played? What level is your character? What class. Would be interesting to know what real experience you have with the game.

It's a trap!!! Whoknows - I am only being semi-facetious when I say that I would be unsurpised if 2bit was the lv 50 main tank for Silky Venom. I have no doubt that both he and hiram play the game and have several alts in the teens if not higher.

I just think its bizarre because you'll see read some older comments (beta 2/beta 3) by players who tried the beta didn't like the game and quit and then you'll see these guys who hate the game but are still in the beta and probably spending 10-15 hours a week in a world they loathe.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

Oh I'm all for honoring the spirit of the NDA. But I'll breach the substance when you guys post total bullshit (e.g. there are no shadows in VG). Once the NDA drops I'll be happy to give my complete opinion of the game (good and bad).



It's a trap!!! Whoknows - I am only being semi-facetious when I say that I would be unsurpised if 2bit was the lv 50 main tank for Silky Venom. I have no doubt that both he and hiram play the game and have several alts in the teens if not higher.

I just think its bizarre because you'll see read some older comments (beta 2/beta 3) by players who tried the beta didn't like the game and quit and then you'll see these guys who hate the game but are still in the beta and probably spending 10-15 hours a week in a world they loathe.

Well you could always consider that some people, dispite not liking what is going on, still log in, still offer feedback, and still hope for the best. Expressing their opinions on the negative aspect of the game (even repeatedly) does not mean they hate it, want it to fail, etc etc.

But it's more fun to think that (and proclaim it) I know, makes the target more juicy and all that baloney.

[Windemere11]

B-O-L-O-G-N-A

just like the song dude... just like the song

[tad10]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Well you could always consider that some people, dispite not liking what is going on, still log in, still offer feedback, and still hope for the best. Expressing their opinions on the negative aspect of the game (even repeatedly) does not mean they hate it, want it to fail, etc etc.

But it's more fun to think that (and proclaim it) I know, makes the target more juicy and all that baloney.

Look you can fool some people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but if you really believe the shit your spouting you're insane.

Fortitiously the game seems to be coming along -- if it continues at its current pace -- you and 2bit will look like idiots at release.

[Akileese]

Yeah, I was in a lowbie cave or something and the guy i was grouped with was invisible. When we died, it finally reset, but it's a pain in the ass because I have to target him to know where he is. There are a few other minor bugs but as I said, for a game that's in beta 4, it seems that there are a lot of bugs. I'm naturally assuming they'll all be hammered out.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by tad10

Fortitiously the game seems to be coming along -- if it continues at its current pace -- you and 2bit will look like idiots at release.

If it continues at its current pace or better yet, its current direction, then no. The only people that will look like idiots are all the ignorant fanboys who are expecting the game to be something it isn't even close to. That would be fine if the world needed another 2nd gen game that was as good or better than what's available, but frankly it doesn't and it isn't. And even adding in some shadows or making some newbie yard trash look cool is not going to save the game from the weight of itself.

But I'll breach the substance when you guys post total bullshit (e.g. there are no shadows in VG).

Actually, what you did was barely intelligible. No where did I say the game lacked any shadow. What I did say was they needed to add shadows. I guess to avoid your line of 'debate' I should qualify every single word so as to not confuse you. They need to add "more" shadows to the game, specifically "environmental" ones. If they want to avoid taking lumps over it, as Brad has said, then maybe they shouldn't have a blind moron giving the OK on beta screenshots. The only thing this game is using to generate interest amongst the public is a barrage of screenshots and substance-less 40 second video clips... they should damn well make sure they look as good as possible without doctoring them. I could go into the game and take hundreds of shots that look good and make the game look more fun to play than it actually is, and I supposedly 'hate' VG and want it to die in a fire.

[blahblahblah]

Originally Posted by tad10

Fortitiously the game seems to be coming along -- if it continues at its current pace -- you and 2bit will look like idiots at release.

What do you mean at release?

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

They need to add some damn shadows to the game. That shot of the beach from the newsletter is terrible. But as has been said before, graphics and performance are far from the only things that make a game.

And with reference to the shadow of the tree that you insisted had no shadows.

That's actually not a shadow, it's solid ground contrasting against the whiter sand.

You were _very_ fucking specific "no" shadows. And you blew off the shadow of a tree as not a shadow. So don't back peddle and say you were talking about building shadows.

If it continues at its current pace or better yet, its current direction, then no. The only people that will look like idiots are all the ignorant fanboys who are expecting the game to be something it isn't even close to. That would be fine if the world needed another 2nd gen game that was as good or better than what's available, but frankly it doesn't and it isn't.

I can not speak for the preferences of others but there is no MMO I'd rather be playing right now than the VG Beta which is why I am (in most of my free time) playing the VG Beta. I just need to stop fucking around with the alts and actually get one character past 12.

So obviously I think that it is better than the alternatives. Now it maybe that the game at 30 sucks ballz at this point which I why you're so jaded-- however Sigil/SoE is working overtime to tune the upper level game so I have some small hope that they'll make the upper leve/endgame as enjoyable as the start.

Edit: blah: release = the date the game is available to the public.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by tad10

And with reference to the shadow of the tree that you insisted had no shadows.

That is not a shadow. Shadows are not brown. It's the same texture as the solid rock texture you find at the base of the slope where it meets the sand.

[blahblahblah]

Originally Posted by tad10

Edit: blah: release = the date the game is available to the public.

Yeah, you didnt quite catch what I meant by that

I know what a fucking release is

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by blahblahblah

What do you mean at release?

.

[tad10]

Looked at it again and I'm still going to go with (a) Shadow of a Tree.