CC nerf in Arena and Battlegrounds in TBC... - Page 2

Cad · 09-24-2006, 01:44 PM

Mkopec1 - act like a fucker all you want, it just means you wont see these classes. I can play my warrior come expac just fine, already 60 with some decent gear. If you want the arenas to be nothing but warriors, rogues, and healers, thats fine.

Linus · 09-24-2006, 01:49 PM

Will they count Charge Stun, Intercept Stun, Intimidating Shout, Gouge, Kidney Shot, Cheap Shot, etc., as CC as well? Or is this just a 'caster' change?

Mkopec1 · 09-24-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cad

Mkopec1 - act like a fucker all you want, it just means you wont see these classes. I can play my warrior come expac just fine, already 60 with some decent gear. If you want the arenas to be nothing but warriors, rogues, and healers, thats fine.

Im sure it will be just fine Cad.

Mkopec1 · 09-24-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus

Will they count Charge Stun, Intercept Stun, Intimidating Shout, Gouge, Kidney Shot, Cheap Shot, etc., as CC as well? Or is this just a 'caster' change?

From my understanding "all CC"... Which would spill overto melee classes as well.

Nakilos · 09-24-2006, 02:01 PM

There is no long term melee cc besides Sap, so if thats nerfed I doubt any melee will give a shit.

Unless you want to include traps as melee, I lumped them under casters more so.

And..

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nevermind hamstring lasting longer than sheep

What?

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crippling poison lasting longer than sheep

Since when?

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wing clip lasting longer than sheep most of the time...

Never happened.

The fact is unless your priest managed to not get assist trained, sheep especially is an incredibly long term and viable cc. I've never ever had a sheep last less than 30 seconds if my priest was dead, otherwise it was removed quickly if he even could.

This is sort of like hunters who claim their freezing traps break before they can run out of range, and warlocks who claim their dots actually break their fear (HAHAFUCKINGHA). It just doesn't happen often enough to matter.

Cad · 09-24-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nakilos

The fact is unless your priest managed to not get assist trained, sheep especially is an incredibly long term and viable cc. I've never ever had a sheep last less than 30 seconds if my priest was dead, otherwise it was removed quickly if he even could.

Come out from under your rock and play WoW in the last ... 10 patches?

Sheep was nerfed to last an absolute maximum of 15 seconds in pvp now, and lasts on average 8-10 seconds on the first cast, 4-5 seconds on the second. Why this needs to be further nerfed to last less time, I have no idea.

Plaeroma · 09-24-2006, 02:12 PM

When certain CCs can keep a person useless for longer than just killing them would due to how GYs work in BGs it seems inevitable for CCs to get nerfed in BGs.

It's also obvious that CC would have to be nerfed in Arenas. For every CC you have, it stacks the odds that much more in your favor. Two sheeps in a 5v5 makes it 5v3, and you have to be shitty to lose with those odds. It breaks down the same way in every matchup (2v2 3v3 & 5v5). You have to have equal number of CC to compete, or you have to have one more dispeller than they have CCers.

Also as a rogue I say this: welcome to how sap works bitches.

CXB · 09-24-2006, 02:21 PM

Of course long-term CCs like sheep, sap, etc need to be nerfed. Otherwise, every single team would require a paladin because mage x2 or mage + anything will dominate. Shit like frost nova should not be nerfed.

And while hamstring doesn't count as a CC, it should be nerfed anyway (not just in arenas). No CD, long duration is fucking stupid. 5-6 sec CD, 8-10 duration would be nice.

Plaeroma · 09-24-2006, 02:23 PM

This change makes even more sense with the route blizzard seems to be moving PVP in the expansion anyway. With the crit resist shit and higher stamina on gear, etc etc, people will be much harder to kill. The harder it is to kill someone, the better CC becomes, so again a nerf is to be expected.

kuldiin · 09-24-2006, 02:28 PM

There is no way in hell Blizzard will get this implemented correctly.

By doing it, they will probably just end up opening another WSG rooftop exploit.

I know, they not even related, I have that much faith in Blizz

Sheaf · 09-24-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagels

You know, on my reason for quitting message when I canceled after playing from beta through cthun I wrote, "The mage has always been, and will always be, mediocre." I felt a bit silly when I heard how cool mages were in naxx. I no longer feel silly.

You quit because your class was well balanced? Awesome. I'm sure the WoW designers that sweat blood trying to get class balance just love people like you.

Teger · 09-24-2006, 02:54 PM

I think they just up diminishing returns on CCs, so you can't be poly/fear locked. Honestly, is there anything gayer than being chain feared?

Itzena · 09-24-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheaf

You quit because your class was well balanced? Awesome. I'm sure the WoW designers that sweat blood trying to get class balance just love people like you.

Is that before or after they point and laugh?

Arbitrary · 09-24-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheaf

You quit because your class was well balanced?

Mediocre = balanced?

Senen · 09-24-2006, 03:09 PM

This has been a long needed change, its been far to common for organized BG grps to exploit long term CC effects to roll the other side. Anyone remember early Daoc, Stunguard comes to mind if you don't think it makes it lopsided and totaly removes the entire purpouse for pvp which is to fight your retarded. And for the mage who says they wont have the mana to 1 on 1 a warrior there fing retarded I have roughtly 6.5k hps unbuffed in BG's on my Warrior and have been 2 and 3 shotted by Mages so explain to me how your spells cost such an extrordinary amnt of mana that 3 spells can drain you... ?

09-24-2006, 02:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
Plaeroma Incompatible Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NC Posts: 634 +0 Internets	When certain CCs can keep a person useless for longer than just killing them would due to how GYs work in BGs it seems inevitable for CCs to get nerfed in BGs. It's also obvious that CC would have to be nerfed in Arenas. For every CC you have, it stacks the odds that much more in your favor. Two sheeps in a 5v5 makes it 5v3, and you have to be shitty to lose with those odds. It breaks down the same way in every matchup (2v2 3v3 & 5v5). You have to have equal number of CC to compete, or you have to have one more dispeller than they have CCers. Also as a rogue I say this: welcome to how sap works bitches. __________________ We live like penguins in the desert Why can't we live like tribes Last edited by Plaeroma : 09-24-2006 at 02:19 PM.

09-24-2006, 02:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
Plaeroma Incompatible Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NC Posts: 634 +0 Internets	This change makes even more sense with the route blizzard seems to be moving PVP in the expansion anyway. With the crit resist shit and higher stamina on gear, etc etc, people will be much harder to kill. The harder it is to kill someone, the better CC becomes, so again a nerf is to be expected. __________________ We live like penguins in the desert Why can't we live like tribes

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09-24-2006, 01:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,239	Mkopec1 - act like a fucker all you want, it just means you wont see these classes. I can play my warrior come expac just fine, already 60 with some decent gear. If you want the arenas to be nothing but warriors, rogues, and healers, thats fine.

09-24-2006, 01:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
Linus had the chance to ask the world to dance Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Midlothian Posts: 179 +0 Internets	Will they count Charge Stun, Intercept Stun, Intimidating Shout, Gouge, Kidney Shot, Cheap Shot, etc., as CC as well? Or is this just a 'caster' change?

09-24-2006, 02:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
CXB Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 404 +1 Internets	Of course long-term CCs like sheep, sap, etc need to be nerfed. Otherwise, every single team would require a paladin because mage x2 or mage + anything will dominate. Shit like frost nova should not be nerfed. And while hamstring doesn't count as a CC, it should be nerfed anyway (not just in arenas). No CD, long duration is fucking stupid. 5-6 sec CD, 8-10 duration would be nice.

09-24-2006, 02:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
kuldiin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 141 +0 Internets	There is no way in hell Blizzard will get this implemented correctly. By doing it, they will probably just end up opening another WSG rooftop exploit. I know, they not even related, I have that much faith in Blizz

09-24-2006, 02:54 PM	#27 (permalink)
Teger Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 569 -3 Internets	I think they just up diminishing returns on CCs, so you can't be poly/fear locked. Honestly, is there anything gayer than being chain feared?

09-24-2006, 03:09 PM	#30 (permalink)
Senen Old School ! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 520	This has been a long needed change, its been far to common for organized BG grps to exploit long term CC effects to roll the other side. Anyone remember early Daoc, Stunguard comes to mind if you don't think it makes it lopsided and totaly removes the entire purpouse for pvp which is to fight your retarded. And for the mage who says they wont have the mana to 1 on 1 a warrior there fing retarded I have roughtly 6.5k hps unbuffed in BG's on my Warrior and have been 2 and 3 shotted by Mages so explain to me how your spells cost such an extrordinary amnt of mana that 3 spells can drain you... ?