Vanguard mini-videos -- you got 'em! - Page 4

Bogus · 08-31-2006, 01:55 AM

I'm unable to download the clip. Could someone please mirror it?

Lost Ranger · 08-31-2006, 02:09 AM

Yes very nice thank you Brad. I didnt think the SS were bad at all but all SS are boring and some animation is always enjoyable.

Id love to see some on casting, and perhaps some grouping if its possible.

Faelor · 08-31-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogus

I'm unable to download the clip. Could someone please mirror it?

Hrm, the link works for me still. Hopefully Aradune does not mind. Vanguard Rangers Mirror of JerrithCombat1.avi. And yeah, my server seems to be bogged down lately. Oh well, if BradMcQuaid.com is not working at least give it a try.

WarderX · 08-31-2006, 02:16 AM

Here's the enviromental videos posted this week, i suppose they deserve a cross-post in this thread for people looking for more 'approved' videos:
http://media.silkyvenom.com/dayandnight.mov
http://media.silkyvenom.com/dayandnight_rindol.mov

Zehn - Vhex · 08-31-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Etadanik

I would hope that Vanguard's raids are just as complex as WoW's with regards to movement, but who knows. Certainly this video is a bad example - but then how many classes in WoW move around while soloing a grey mob?

Considering in WoW 90% of grey mobs you can one-shot, alot. =p

Laerazi · 08-31-2006, 04:09 AM

Next one, let's get some camera movement and music.

Very cool, either way.

Small nitpick; the "hit" sound effect sounds like someone punching, rather than a slash against an exoskeleton. Not a huge concern, but maybe a slashing noise when using a blade? And the "got hit" animation does look rather strange (like a jolt back then slight pause).

Neric · 08-31-2006, 04:16 AM

This video is incredible. AWESOME! I am soooooo impressed!!!! Man, I haven't seen a combat video like that in YEARS.

Is that the general consensus so far?

Well, it's a guy killing a bug in a dead landscape that has pretty much EQ1 quality (Walls of Slaughter for example). I hope that people see why I like to compare the combat to DAoC. If you played a rogue there, you know what I am talking about.

Btw, the reason you don't see any wildlife in the distance is that it only pops up when you get in close range. While they claim that it is all populated by hand, you have the feeling of auto-spawns every 30m. So in order to reach those structures at the hill you have to kill about 7-8 yardtrash mobs, otherwise you get a huge train on your ass.

Screamfeeder · 08-31-2006, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

This video is incredible. AWESOME! I am soooooo impressed!!!! Man, I haven't seen a combat video like that in YEARS.

Is that the general consensus so far?

No. Most of the people offered constructive criticism while also giving their opinion on why they liked the video.

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Originally Posted by Neric

Well, it's a guy killing a bug in a dead landscape that has pretty much EQ1 quality (Oasis/South Ro).

Only it's not really that close to EQ1 quality at all...right.

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Originally Posted by Neric

Btw, the reason you don't see any wildlife in the distance is
that it only pops up when you get in close range. While they claim that it is all populated by hand, you have the feeling of auto-spawns every 30m.

So you are saying the clipping plane of the mobs means it is all auto-generated? No, wait, you're saying timed-spawns mean non-handmade content? Wait, wait, you're saying because of timed mob spawns, the near clip on mobs means there is not handmade content? WTF ARE you saying?

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Originally Posted by Neric

So in order to reach those structures at the hill you have to kill about 5-6 yardtrash mobs, otherwise you get a huge train on your ass.

A) Nice assumption and
B) OMFG KILLING STUFF TO GET SOMEWHERE?!?!?! When did MMORPGS start THAT crap?!?!

Neric · 08-31-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

So you are saying the clipping plane of the mobs means it is all auto-generated? No, wait, you're saying timed-spawns mean non-handmade content? Wait, wait, you're saying because of timed mob spawns, the near clip on mobs means there is not handmade content? WTF ARE you saying?

I am saying that this part of the game plays like SWG. You cannot walk in an open area without getting jumped by stuff that is always popping up right in your way, which means that you cannot skip it by chosing a different path. In SWG it is computer generated content to keep you busy (an algorithm), in Vanguard they claim it is not, but it feels and plays exactly the same. Does that explain it?

The trains you generate by just trying to outrun the yardtrash are insane. There were reports from lvl 25 sorcs getting killed by a selfmade train of lvl 5-6 mobs. It's simply chain aggro where everything joins in on the fun. Just think of running in Crushbone from DVinn to zone, with the only difference that there is no zone (seamless...) and that the grey shit can stick snare on you.

Usha Starchild · 08-31-2006, 04:40 AM

Ok, I've got people waiting for me so ill make this fast.

1) The PC does not get in a battle stance until the mob arrives at his feet and he makes the first swing. The PC should get prepared for the incoming attack.

2) 31,30,29,28...4 Whats with the range finder, thats a lil over the top in my opinion, unless thats just in for development purposes. Also how is he fighting the mob from 4meters away? I think its a lil off.

3) Where does that second dustwalker come from? He just kinda clips into the scene, or is that a respawn?

Besides that looks great, give the NPC on the right a few animations and it will look good.

Screamfeeder · 08-31-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

I am saying that this part of the game plays like SWG. Does that explain it?

Yes.
I would wonder how in the world you could have such advanced knowledge of their spawning system by watching a :39 video.

I see no mobs randomly spawning out of the blue. I do see one bug that comes in and out of view (most likely because of clipping), but I see nothing else that supports your theory.

EDIT: also there is another older video that shows mobs from quite a distance away. Not sure if that is still the way things are, but if so, it would mean you can find paths to avoid them and not have to deal with crap spawning right in front of you 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Usha Starchild

Whats with the range finder.

Yeah I wasn't going to say anything about this, but lose the range-finder.

Neric · 08-31-2006, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

Yes.
I would wonder how in the world you could have such advanced knowledge of their spawning system by watching a :39 video.

Are you aware that there are people who are actually playing the Beta? There are also some who did at one point...

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I see no mobs randomly spawning out of the blue. I do see one bug that comes in and out of view (most likely because of clipping), but I see nothing else that supports your theory.

We are actually talking about the weirdest part of the game. You get to a wide open area that looks completely lifeless, dead and empty, but every 30m something will pop up in your path. After a while you notice that this works like a 30x30 mesh. The whole world is FULL of yardtrash, you simply don't see it 31m away.

Lleauaric~EW · 08-31-2006, 04:48 AM

I think Vhex hit the nail on the head when it comes to the fun in WoWs combat system.
Instants are awesome. It makes the game fast paced and exciting. Having everything needing to be channeled is unfun.

Free it up, let people move around. It looks better, its more fun, and it makes gameplay a blast. As a Wizard in EQ and a Mage in WoW, I can say playing a mage is 10x more fun, even when soloing, in WoW.

What will make Vanguard imo is how much freedom they allow players. If people are forced to stand still like statues, Vanguard will get very boring very fast in the early stages. Give casters a few insta casts, lets rangers shoot on the move, dont make melee characters channel their attacks. That game will win.

btw: Neric = Utyanan Lite

Screamfeeder · 08-31-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

Are you aware that there are people who are actually playing the Beta? There are also some who did at one point...

Gotcha, and in that case I would have to say those people would know alot more than I do. But, since I am unable to see this for myself, I have to go with what I see.

I see a bug moving in and out of a, hopefully customizable, clipping plane.

Laerazi · 08-31-2006, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

You get to a wide open area that looks completely lifeless, dead and empty, but every 30m something will pop up in your path. After a while you notice that this works like a 30x30 mesh. The whole world is FULL of yardtrash, you simply don't see it 31m away.

a) You clearly haven't played the game in quite some time (especially in Qalia).
b) You fail to understand that the game improves/evolves over time, including, but not limited to, overworld mob placement/density. I know everyone seems to think the game is stagnant in Beta, for whatever reason, but things do actually change. Imagine that.

I can't wait to see what outdated information people complain about, that they saw in Beta 2, when the game is about to release.

Disclaimer:
... at least that's what my friend in Beta told me.

08-31-2006, 04:09 AM	#51 (permalink)
Laerazi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,288 -2 Internets	Next one, let's get some camera movement and music. Very cool, either way. Small nitpick; the "hit" sound effect sounds like someone punching, rather than a slash against an exoskeleton. Not a huge concern, but maybe a slashing noise when using a blade? And the "got hit" animation does look rather strange (like a jolt back then slight pause). Last edited by Laerazi; 08-31-2006 at 04:19 AM..

08-31-2006, 04:16 AM	#52 (permalink)
Neric <insert funny comment here> Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,996 -6 Internets	This video is incredible. AWESOME! I am soooooo impressed!!!! Man, I haven't seen a combat video like that in YEARS. Is that the general consensus so far? Well, it's a guy killing a bug in a dead landscape that has pretty much EQ1 quality (Walls of Slaughter for example). I hope that people see why I like to compare the combat to DAoC. If you played a rogue there, you know what I am talking about. Btw, the reason you don't see any wildlife in the distance is that it only pops up when you get in close range. While they claim that it is all populated by hand, you have the feeling of auto-spawns every 30m. So in order to reach those structures at the hill you have to kill about 7-8 yardtrash mobs, otherwise you get a huge train on your ass. __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer Last edited by Neric; 08-31-2006 at 04:26 AM..

08-31-2006, 04:40 AM	#55 (permalink)
Usha Starchild Still in China Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,437	Ok, I've got people waiting for me so ill make this fast. 1) The PC does not get in a battle stance until the mob arrives at his feet and he makes the first swing. The PC should get prepared for the incoming attack. 2) 31,30,29,28...4 Whats with the range finder, thats a lil over the top in my opinion, unless thats just in for development purposes. Also how is he fighting the mob from 4meters away? I think its a lil off. 3) Where does that second dustwalker come from? He just kinda clips into the scene, or is that a respawn? Besides that looks great, give the NPC on the right a few animations and it will look good. Last edited by Usha Starchild; 08-31-2006 at 04:44 AM..

08-31-2006, 04:48 AM	#58 (permalink)
Lleauaric~EW "Hamburgers, the cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast" Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,593 +52 Internets	I think Vhex hit the nail on the head when it comes to the fun in WoWs combat system. Instants are awesome. It makes the game fast paced and exciting. Having everything needing to be channeled is unfun. Free it up, let people move around. It looks better, its more fun, and it makes gameplay a blast. As a Wizard in EQ and a Mage in WoW, I can say playing a mage is 10x more fun, even when soloing, in WoW. What will make Vanguard imo is how much freedom they allow players. If people are forced to stand still like statues, Vanguard will get very boring very fast in the early stages. Give casters a few insta casts, lets rangers shoot on the move, dont make melee characters channel their attacks. That game will win. btw: Neric = Utyanan Lite __________________ Ask yourself....

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08-31-2006, 01:55 AM	#46 (permalink)
Bogus Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14 +0 Internets	I'm unable to download the clip. Could someone please mirror it?

08-31-2006, 02:09 AM	#47 (permalink)
Lost Ranger Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,998 -4 Internets	Yes very nice thank you Brad. I didnt think the SS were bad at all but all SS are boring and some animation is always enjoyable. Id love to see some on casting, and perhaps some grouping if its possible.

08-31-2006, 02:16 AM	#49 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +2 Internets	Here's the enviromental videos posted this week, i suppose they deserve a cross-post in this thread for people looking for more 'approved' videos: http://media.silkyvenom.com/dayandnight.mov http://media.silkyvenom.com/dayandnight_rindol.mov

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