Vanguard mini-videos -- you got 'em!

[Neric]

Looks to me that people are telling me something like that it is Beta 3 and if it ever was that bad, it got fixed by now for sure.

Before you talk about harrassing this place, you should think about the purpose of this forum first. It is certainly not supposed to be free advertisement space for Sigil Games and it is definitely not Brads private Blog. If you want to read nothing but positive feedback on this game you should go and visit www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/

[Laerazi]

Looks to me that people are telling me something like that it is Beta 3 and if it ever was that bad, it got fixed by now for sure.

People are telling you that the current state of the game is not what you describe, so stop complaining about it.

[Big W Powah!]

Second Video looks pretty good Brad. Not at all as bad as I thought it was going to be with the open/bridge/finish and casting system.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Laerazi

People are telling you that the current state of the game is not what you describe, so stop complaining about it.

This is pointless as usual. People who don't even have Beta access claim that it has changed while I have deleted the game from my harddrive and cannot verify it. Unfortunately I am too lazy to download it all again only to win this argument, because even if I did, none of these guys would believe it anyways. In the worst case they would just revert back to their standard argument, that it will get fixed for sure before the Beta is over. It's just not worth it.

[Laerazi]

Originally Posted by Neric

This is pointless as usual. People who don't even have Beta access claim that it has changed while I have deleted the game from my harddrive and cannot verify it. Unfortunately I am too lazy to download it all again only to win this argument, because even if I did, none of these guys would believe it anyways. In the worst case they would just revert back to their standard argument, that it will get fixed for sure before the Beta is over. It's just not worth it.

Um, there are plenty of people here who could tell you that it's not as you describe it, but they don't want to risk losing their access. And then there's the fact that Brad said it doesn't happen as you describe it. But as you said, it's not worth trying to prove it to you because you've already made up your mind. Fair enough.

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Neric

Before you talk about harrassing this place, you should think about the purpose of this forum first. It is certainly not supposed to be free advertisement space for Sigil Games and it is definitely not Brads private Blog.

the only thing you can call spam, are the 4 different thread about 4 different set of screeshots

Brad could have merged it in 1 thread, i agree

but other than that?

everything he post was under our heavy request.

1)we asked for more shots, we got exclusive shots.

2) we asked shots with average settings to see the difference, we get those screenshots

3) we ask gameplay videos, we are finally starting to see something

for years ppl all around gaming boards asked for a more active presence of game developers. Finally we are seeing it....WHY THE GODDAMN FLYING FUCK YOU ARE COMPLAINING?

is it marketing spam? yes it is. but take the spam Brad, Smed, Tigole+Furor, CCP, Mytic +3 more random MMORPG societies....multiply that for 10. It wont be close to the ammount ot trash to you and Ut regorge on this board every day

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by fucker

is it marketing spam? yes it is. but take the spam Brad, Smed, Tigole+Furor, CCP, Mytic +3 more random MMORPG societies....multiply that for 10. It wont be close to the ammount ot trash to you and Ut regorge on this board every day

Keep me out of it. I am happy to see gameplay videos. Especially that latest one. It shows exactly what a lot of us have known for a while. This title has a shitload to get right still, this late in the game, and that isn't a good thing (TM). Hopefully they can get all they need to get done, done. But considering the massive workload they have ahead of them if they release in March 07, I just don't know how they can get the key important aspects done combined with balanced and fun content in place.

The first priority NEEDS to be that animation system above all else right now. Because holy shit does it suck.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Laerazi

And then there's the fact that Brad said it doesn't happen as you describe it.

Nice to see that you didn't understand what he wrote about. He said that they fixed it for the higher levels, so the grey trash will have a much smaller aggro range (this was a player request). What he did not mention was that this doesn't change anything for the low/mid-level players since the yardtrash still cons yellow to them. Overland travel should be still extremely painful and time-consuming for these players.

Anyways, just make a new character, get to level 8 or 10 whatever and try to explore the area around Leth Nurae. You should see pretty fast what I am talking about. Once you got that, make a new account over here with a fake e-mail like the_unknown_d00d@hotmail.com and tell us about your experience.

[Neric]

Originally Posted by fucker

Finally we are seeing it....WHY THE GODDAMN FLYING FUCK YOU ARE COMPLAINING?

About the screenshots you said it already.

Brad could have merged it in 1 thread, i agree

There is indeed no need to spam this board with thread after thread. It's almost like an endless bump. Whenever a Vanguard thread is about to drop out of page one, we get a new one or two or three. I doubt that the FoH board is intended to be Sigil advertisement space.

Also you should also make a difference between what I asked for and what others like Utnayan asked for. I never asked for screenshots nor videos, so don't hold that against me. I don't need screenshots that don't look impressive nor any statements by Brad that things will get better and better and that he learned so much from his previous mistakes. There is no value in it and it's not even funny.

[Duppin]

Let's make a deal.

Brad, create ONE thread for screenshots and videos. Put all of 'em in there.

Utnayan and Neric, agree to stay out of that thread forever.

Deal?

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Neric

I doubt that the FoH board is intended to be Sigil advertisement space.

And I doubt that you know what the board needs more than the people who run it. If there was a problem with Brad McQuaid posting multiple threads, I'm sure the admins of the board would have spoken to him about it. Christ. Find something with substance to complain about, at least.

[CylusSoulreaver]

Originally Posted by Neric

Nice to see that you didn't understand what he wrote about. He said that they fixed it for the higher levels, so the grey trash will have a much smaller aggro range (this was a player request). What he did not mention was that this doesn't change anything for the low/mid-level players since the yardtrash still cons yellow to them. Overland travel should be still extremely painful and time-consuming for these players.

Anyways, just make a new character, get to level 8 or 10 whatever and try to explore the area around Leth Nurae. You should see pretty fast what I am talking about. Once you got that, make a new account over here with a fake e-mail like the_unknown_d00d@hotmail.com and tell us about your experience.

The aggro change was coded across all level ranges, not just the higher levels that Brad mentioned. Of course, the majority of the complaints were coming from higher level players because they encounter a greater number of lower level mobs than the low/mid level players.

It sounds like your main complaint is that you're being aggro'd on by NPCs that you can still get experience from. Perhaps you should have leveled up a bit on those yellow NPCs before attempting to travel to a chunk that contains NPCs at an even higher level? *shrugs*

[Neric]

Originally Posted by CylusSoulreaver

The aggro change was coded across all level ranges, not just the higher levels that Brad mentioned. Of course, the majority of the complaints were coming from higher level players because they encounter a greater number of lower level mobs than the low/mid level players.

It sounds like your main complaint is that you're being aggro'd on by NPCs that you can still get experience from. Perhaps you should have leveled up a bit on those yellow NPCs before attempting to travel to a chunk that contains NPCs at an even higher level? *shrugs*

No, my main complaint is that the NPC placement is unimaginative and trivial. I saw two areas (Leth Nurae and Brennan's Steed) and the spawns were identical: ~30x30m -> bear, fox, whisp or snake!

There is also a logical argument that makes your statement rather questionable. If they reduce yardtrash aggro to a point where nobody gets attacked anymore, why do they have yardtrash at all? This brings me to my other suggestion: Remove this mesh of crap from the world and replace it with meaningful spawns/camps and a few roamers, in other words, make it like EQ. Yes, it's easier to autopopulate this gigantic world with simple algorithms, but in this case more effort means better results.

[CylusSoulreaver]

Originally Posted by Neric

If they reduce yardtrash aggro to a point where nobody gets attacked anymore...

That reduction is capped so your hypothetical situation will not occur.

The game has come a long way since you've played it and it's a shame that you have wasted your opportunity to observe those changes.

[Neric]

I decided to download it again for Beta 4, but I am certainly not going through all of this in order to check if it's still bear, fox, whisp or snake.

Also I really don't like this new stereotype. First it was "wait until release, then it will be awesome" and now it's "it became awesome one day after you deinstalled it". I doubt that a game that took them 4 years to make can be turned upside down within 3 months. Besides that, the postings on the Beta boards don't indicate it.

I suggest you read a posting there titled "State of the game". There is another interesting thread called "Comprehensive Feedback and Analysis -- or "What is a core gamer, anyway?" from 30th of August. Both threads contain pretty detailed analysis of the game and it's flaws and they had lots of testers agree with them.