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Dildo Faggins · 08-26-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Neric

Since you got that, why do you keep posting thread after thread with new screenshots? You put too much emphasis on graphics. This game is a graphical hydrocephalus that doesn't even look that impressing. You are using too many standard textures, that's why it all looks the same wherever you go. There is too much rock_01 and tree_02 all over the place.

Because you cant really show of gameplay until the game is released, only hype it. You CAN show off graphics. I really dont get why you'd complain, because I for one personally enjoy the pictures a lot, and I think a lot of other people do too. Nobody knows if the game will be fun for them till they try it themselves, but the graphics give us a base to imagine what the gameplay could be like.

Element · 08-26-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neric

Since you got that, why do you keep posting thread after thread with new screenshots? You put too much emphasis on graphics. This game is a graphical hydrocephalus that doesn't even look that impressing. You are using too many standard textures, that's why it all looks the same wherever you go. There is too much rock_01 and tree_02 all over the place.

I lol'd.

Kaxmax · 08-26-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neric

We all know by now that DAoC caused nightmares for you. Why, I can't tell. The game was crap from day one, but still you thought that they improved on your concepts, so you wanted to copy as many of those "improvements" as possible. One could make an argument for DAoC PvP, but that doesn't apply to your type of games. Instead of keeping EQ unique, you tried to make EQ a better DAoC and that's ridiculous. Same thing with Vanguard. You got so impressed by those trivial solutions in DAoC that you shaped Vanguard gameplay in a very similar way. Absolutely pathetic, especially because nobody played DAoC for the PvE, they all played it for PvP and PvP only. Last but not least, if you really want to use concepts that worked in the past, why did you ignore those from EQ other than corpse runs and why did you use some from SWG like overland population? It's pretty obvious which game was successful and which game was not. DAoC stands out as mentioned before, because it's success doesn't have much to do with it's PvE concepts.

Could you give some actual examples about this supposed DAoC copying? I'm honestly curious, because from where I'm sitting you're talking out your ass completely. Not that that's surprising, but it's kind of fascinating that you chose DAoC when there are far closer comparisons out there. There's very few similarities between VG & DAoC, they aren't remotely similar in gameplay.

Edit: and let me say one more time, I actually liked DAoC's combat system. The reactionals, positionals, chains, and shield skills were very well done, and I'd love to see a new game improve on them while adding better PVE encounters (DAoC's biggest downfall, imo).

Soygen · 08-26-2006, 03:19 PM

Neric calls DAOC "crap from day one". If that isn't enough to just ignore his retarded ass, I don't know what is. At least behind all the frothing at the mouth, Utnayan's complaints are actually valid.

Quineloe · 08-26-2006, 04:50 PM

Ok this has me a little curious now Aradune

please post some appropriate exclusive screenshots in a different thread
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/scree...rl-thread.html

Digits · 08-26-2006, 07:56 PM

I've got your nda breaking right 'ere

...

Not really (magically double my dps plz) =/

Neric · 08-27-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaxmax

Could you give some actual examples about this supposed DAoC copying? I'm honestly curious, because from where I'm sitting you're talking out your ass completely. Not that that's surprising, but it's kind of fascinating that you chose DAoC when there are far closer comparisons out there. There's very few similarities between VG & DAoC, they aren't remotely similar in gameplay.

Edit: and let me say one more time, I actually liked DAoC's combat system. The reactionals, positionals, chains, and shield skills were very well done, and I'd love to see a new game improve on them while adding better PVE encounters (DAoC's biggest downfall, imo).

Just start in Leth Nurae or whatever it is called and make a rogue. It's Deja Vu all over again....

"Not even remotely similar" must be a joke. The combat system with chains etc. is almost identical. This isn't actually too bad since as you mentioned, it was done pretty nicely in DAoC. Here we come to my main point though. 3rd, 4th or 5th generation games like Vanguard are nothing but a copy&paste job. They take corpse travel from EQ, combat from DAoC, character animations from EQ2 (it's a standard software), mob aggro behavior from DAoC, population algorithms from SWG, cultural themes (Hibernia/Albion) from DAoC....etc....mix it all together and voila, there you got your new game. All you need to do is to pull some pointless and idiotic lore out of your behind and you are done. "Many hundred years ago a great red golden dragon appeared in the dark lands of blablabla...".

Of course you can't really claim that the outcome is bad, because they try to copy only the good features, but still overall it appears like lame lifeless remake. Maybe it fits our time, because songs and movies get covered also and crap like that is even successful. Maybe it's the trademark of our time that we have lost our ability to recognize quality and true innovation.

Excuse me please, I got to watch my brand new "King Kong" DVD or wait...maybe I should watch "Psycho" first

Itzena · 08-27-2006, 02:45 AM

And diku/EQ-remakes are pretty pointless, unless you are 110% certain that you are making The Greatest One Ever (or your investors understand and are happy with only having a couple of hundred thousand subs tops).
WoW owns that market, now and for the forseeable future.

A smarter move would be to try something different - you know, like CCP did. EVE (with the Chinese server live) has to be over half a million subs nowadays. That's more than EQ and EQ2 combined.

Wizerud · 08-27-2006, 04:20 AM

Calling all developers! Stop making your MMO's now! Because we all know that people never leave the games they are currently playing for other ones. Not to mention the millions of people who have played WoW (and other MMO's) and left already.

Dumbass.

Furism · 08-27-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Itzena

A smarter move would be to try something different - you know, like CCP did. EVE (with the Chinese server live) has to be over half a million subs nowadays. That's more than EQ and EQ2 combined.

Not saying you're completely wrong, but the EVE subs number you came up with is incorrect. According to MMOGChart, Eve is not even at 150k customers. And I really don't think that the Chinese will add 350k subscription in no time. Because, they, too, might prefer WoW, just like the rest of the world.

Wizerud · 08-27-2006, 04:42 AM

EvE is currently at 170k subs but that does not include any from China.

Kaxmax · 08-27-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neric

Just start in Leth Nurae or whatever it is called and make a rogue. It's Deja Vu all over again....

You mean it has an elven style similar to every high fantasy game/book/movie in history? Ok....

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"Not even remotely similar" must be a joke. The combat system with chains etc. is almost identical. This isn't actually too bad since as you mentioned, it was done pretty nicely in DAoC.

I disagree completely, I'll leave it at that. I'd say EQ2's combat system is a much, much closer comparison.

WarderX · 08-27-2006, 09:19 PM

Hmm... I have a problem and I'm afraid to post about it on the official Vangaurd forums.

Hypothetical situation:
Let's say that I'm in beta 3 and can access the game perfectly fine and all, but when I go to the Vanguard forums, I don't have access the beta forums as compared to Beta 2. Is there something I need to do to get my access back?
Again, hypothetical situation.

Soygen · 08-27-2006, 09:30 PM

If this hypothetical person can log into the game, someone in-game could probably supply them with the answer they seek. More likely there than there, anyway.

WarderX · 08-27-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

If this hypothetical person can log into the game, someone in-game could probably supply them with the answer they seek. More likely there than there, anyway.

In this hypothetical situation, the beta server would be currently down

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Itzena SOS-dan #76564674 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Near a big fucking castle, the UK Posts: 7,160 -25 Internets	And diku/EQ-remakes are pretty pointless, unless you are 110% certain that you are making The Greatest One Ever (or your investors understand and are happy with only having a couple of hundred thousand subs tops). WoW owns that market, now and for the forseeable future. A smarter move would be to try something different - you know, like CCP did. EVE (with the Chinese server live) has to be over half a million subs nowadays. That's more than EQ and EQ2 combined. __________________

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08-26-2006, 03:19 PM	#454 (permalink)
Soygen 100% Pure Soy Monk Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 7,447 +107 Internets	Neric calls DAOC "crap from day one". If that isn't enough to just ignore his retarded ass, I don't know what is. At least behind all the frothing at the mouth, Utnayan's complaints are actually valid.

08-26-2006, 04:50 PM	#455 (permalink)
Quineloe Hard Rock Hallelujah Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,608	Ok this has me a little curious now Aradune please post some appropriate exclusive screenshots in a different thread http://www.fohguild.org/forums/scree...rl-thread.html

08-27-2006, 04:20 AM	#459 (permalink)
Wizerud Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 313 +0 Internets	Calling all developers! Stop making your MMO's now! Because we all know that people never leave the games they are currently playing for other ones. Not to mention the millions of people who have played WoW (and other MMO's) and left already. Dumbass.

08-27-2006, 04:42 AM	#461 (permalink)
Wizerud Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 313 +0 Internets	EvE is currently at 170k subs but that does not include any from China.

08-27-2006, 09:19 PM	#463 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +2 Internets	Hmm... I have a problem and I'm afraid to post about it on the official Vangaurd forums. Hypothetical situation: Let's say that I'm in beta 3 and can access the game perfectly fine and all, but when I go to the Vanguard forums, I don't have access the beta forums as compared to Beta 2. Is there something I need to do to get my access back? Again, hypothetical situation.

08-27-2006, 09:30 PM	#464 (permalink)
Soygen 100% Pure Soy Monk Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 7,447 +107 Internets	If this hypothetical person can log into the game, someone in-game could probably supply them with the answer they seek. More likely there than there, anyway.