Leaked mage talents/skills from expansion alpha. - Page 8

Nehrak · 08-24-2006, 10:56 AM

Forums burped. Ignore.

Nehrak · 08-24-2006, 11:11 AM

Affliction
Approved. (Except Dark Pact, but we won't go there for now. :P) Improved Howl kind of surprises me in that they put it in, but I expected it.

What is Seed of Corruption, again?

*I'd like to flag Contagion versus Improved Curse of Agony. Anyone else find this funny?

Destruction
Soul Leech and Nether Protection should go over to Demonology, at equivalent Tiers. I can even say without hestitation what to cut in favor of them! Demonology isn't just about how many crappy increases we can fit into it that are related (and strictly) to pets. Inter-tree synergy is a good thing. I believe we learned this from Diablo 2 1.10, yes? Though that was intra-tree, the principle remains the same: benefitting your other abilities by buying heavier into something than you normally would. I don't think it's unreasonable for the tree embodying the source of our Shadow/Fire powers (Demonic magic) to augment our non-pet abilities to a small extent.

Shadow and Flame should probably include more spells: Searing Pain, for one. The increase for it would be low, but that's arguably even more reason to include it as a bonus.

Shadowfury should make some people cranky, I'm sure. I'm predicting a Death Coil nerf somewhere, also. You heard it here first. (And no, I don't consider Death Coil getting a nerf bad; that's one travesty of design for our class that should be dealt with.)

Demonology
Mystery Talent - It should be spell/ability, not just spell. Voila. Other than that: very, very nice.

Demonic Fortitude should be higher up, I'd say *T4/5. Other than that, approved.

Demonic Tactics - You're joking, right? 5% boost to me is good; 5% boost to my pet is arguably meaningless *unless it's an Infernal or Doomguard (that adds up quickly). First, not everyone will have the Unspoken Names set to boost this higher, and for that matter Unholy Power does the Imp jack. You can claim "IMPROVED IMP! IMPROVED IMP!" with a foaming mouth all you want, but I can just as easily retort with "Hi, Improved Voidwalker/Succubus/Enslave" for an idea of how stupid (read: underpowered/uncreative) the Improved talents are in that tree. :P

Summon Fel Guard - I'm really surprised this is a "standard" summon pet, as compared to an Enslaved. If they really get a Mortal Strike equivalent, that could be insane. Voidwalker get the fuck out of my spellbook? It will require knowing what the full/current Felguard abilities are. (Why is it two words, by the way? It's been one in the past the entire time. Silly inconsistancies.)

* = editted in

frott · 08-24-2006, 11:23 AM

will provide a girlfriend experience for some priest info. (And by priest info I don't mean paladin levelling tips)

Zamar · 08-24-2006, 11:26 AM

From all classes we have seen so far, warlocks seem to get the smallest upgrade imo.

Saban · 08-24-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Zamar

From all classes we have seen so far, warlocks seem to get the smallest upgrade imo.

And the most retarded statement of the day award goes to...

Esmo · 08-24-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frott

will provide a girlfriend experience for some priest info. (And by priest info I don't mean paladin levelling tips)

Why do you think Priests are going to become obsolete in TBC? If anything, I think we'll become even more valuable as Blizz decides to take the Shaman and Paladin farther away from healing roles.

Saban · 08-24-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Esmo

Why do you think Priests are going to become obsolete in TBC? If anything, I think we'll become even more valuable as Blizz decides to take the Shaman and Paladin farther away from healing roles.

If the current paladin talents we've seen are real, we sure as shit aint moving away from healing. And i love it.

xantic · 08-24-2006, 11:48 AM

wait until the Draenei push hits, they have warriors right?

Man0warr · 08-24-2006, 11:57 AM

Wheres the hunter talents? BE can be hunters can't they?

xantic · 08-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Zest · 08-24-2006, 12:20 PM

Unstable Affliction sucks.

Because of the FIFO system WoW uses, I can just see some Warlock fearing me and dropping Corruption, Siphon Life, Immolate and Unstable Affliction. Now I can't do shit about the DoT DPS because if I touch my dispel button lose 20% of my health bar.

xmod2 · 08-24-2006, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zest

Unstable Affliction sucks.

Because of the FIFO system WoW uses, I can just see some Warlock fearing me and dropping Corruption, Siphon Life, Immolate and Unstable Affliction. Now I can't do shit about the DoT DPS because if I touch my dispel button lose 20% of my health bar.

You can't dispel a mage's DD. Being able to dispel a warlock's dots on top of initial resists shouldn't be allowed to go "unpunished".

TheCutlery · 08-24-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zest

Unstable Affliction sucks.

Because of the FIFO system WoW uses, I can just see some Warlock fearing me and dropping Corruption, Siphon Life, Immolate and Unstable Affliction. Now I can't do shit about the DoT DPS because if I touch my dispel button lose 20% of my health bar.

Pretty sure a Corruption, Siphon and Immolate are gonna do more than 20% of your health bar bud.

Usha Starchild · 08-24-2006, 12:33 PM

Parabola · 08-24-2006, 12:51 PM

druid talents came from someone transfering their real char over supposedly, just need a warrior to do it now omg.

08-24-2006, 10:56 AM	#106 (permalink)
Nehrak It just don't mean a thing. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Home Posts: 1,118	Forums burped. Ignore. Last edited by Nehrak; 08-24-2006 at 11:11 AM..

08-24-2006, 11:11 AM	#107 (permalink)
Nehrak It just don't mean a thing. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Home Posts: 1,118	Affliction Approved. (Except Dark Pact, but we won't go there for now. :P) Improved Howl kind of surprises me in that they put it in, but I expected it. What is Seed of Corruption, again? I'd like to flag Contagion versus Improved Curse of Agony. Anyone else find this funny? Destruction* Soul Leech and Nether Protection should go over to Demonology, at equivalent Tiers. I can even say without hestitation what to cut in favor of them! Demonology isn't just about how many crappy increases we can fit into it that are related (and strictly) to pets. Inter-tree synergy is a good thing. I believe we learned this from Diablo 2 1.10, yes? Though that was intra-tree, the principle remains the same: benefitting your other abilities by buying heavier into something than you normally would. I don't think it's unreasonable for the tree embodying the source of our Shadow/Fire powers (Demonic magic) to augment our non-pet abilities to a small extent. Shadow and Flame should probably include more spells: Searing Pain, for one. The increase for it would be low, but that's arguably even more reason to include it as a bonus. Shadowfury should make some people cranky, I'm sure. I'm predicting a Death Coil nerf somewhere, also. You heard it here first. (And no, I don't consider Death Coil getting a nerf bad; that's one travesty of design for our class that should be dealt with.) Demonology Mystery Talent - It should be spell/ability, not just spell. Voila. Other than that: very, very nice. Demonic Fortitude should be higher up, I'd say T4/5. Other than that, approved. Demonic Tactics - You're joking, right? 5% boost to me is good; 5% boost to my pet is arguably meaningless unless it's an Infernal or Doomguard (that adds up quickly). First, not everyone will have the Unspoken Names set to boost this higher, and for that matter Unholy Power does the Imp jack. You can claim "IMPROVED IMP! IMPROVED IMP!" with a foaming mouth all you want, but I can just as easily retort with "Hi, Improved Voidwalker/Succubus/Enslave" for an idea of how stupid (read: underpowered/uncreative) the Improved talents are in that tree. :P Summon Fel Guard - I'm really surprised this is a "standard" summon pet, as compared to an Enslaved. If they really get a Mortal Strike equivalent, that could be insane. Voidwalker get the fuck out of my spellbook? It will require knowing what the full/current Felguard abilities are. (Why is it two words, by the way? It's been one in the past the entire time. Silly inconsistancies.) * = editted in Last edited by Nehrak; 08-24-2006 at 11:30 AM..

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Man0warr Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,601	Wheres the hunter talents? BE can be hunters can't they? __________________ Manowarr - Ranger - Dominus Letum

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frott Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,392 +0 Internets	will provide a girlfriend experience for some priest info. (And by priest info I don't mean paladin levelling tips)

08-24-2006, 11:26 AM	#109 (permalink)
Zamar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 144 -1 Internets	From all classes we have seen so far, warlocks seem to get the smallest upgrade imo.

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xantic Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 76 +0 Internets	wait until the Draenei push hits, they have warriors right?

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Zest Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 815	Unstable Affliction sucks. Because of the FIFO system WoW uses, I can just see some Warlock fearing me and dropping Corruption, Siphon Life, Immolate and Unstable Affliction. Now I can't do shit about the DoT DPS because if I touch my dispel button lose 20% of my health bar.

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08-24-2006, 12:51 PM	#120 (permalink)
Parabola Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 125 +0 Internets	druid talents came from someone transfering their real char over supposedly, just need a warrior to do it now omg.

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