T3 Gear Laughable in TBC.

Tuco · 07-26-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Eyonix

If you're wearing tier 3 at level 70, you better have a really good sense of humor and the ability to accept being called names void of allowing yourself to be emotionally damaged.

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Originally Posted by Eyonix

The advantage for players in current tier-3 will be having a bit of an easier time leveling through the initial content. After that, the current tiers won't really qualify or be comparable as end-game loot.

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Originally Posted by Eyonix

Leveling-up gear will begin to replace current end-game raiding gear.

I'm kind of dissapointed that WoW will break the standard of forcing unequipped players to gear up in previous content's instances in order to progress in current content's instances. It appears that they're changing the way iLVL works in order to give everyone a 'clean' slate at level 70.

While Eyonix does usually end up being correct, I am tempted to say that he is incorrect in this instance. This raises several questions about TBC, one of which is how long will it take the T3 equipped people to level to 70. The longer it takes, the more likely they will shed their T3 gear before maxing out.

In any event, I am looking forward to unmystifying TBC's content in beta.

Cad · 07-26-2006, 07:46 AM

At the current XP curves, I believe it'll take the same amount of time to level to 70 from 60 as it took to go from 1 to 54.

That said - do you really want to be wearing tier 3 gear at 70? What does that say about the content if pre-expansion stuff is still top notch? You really want to trivialize and/or not need the majority of the content in the game at that point just to satisfy your e-peen?

I'd wager there will be some new types of stats on gear as well as some monkeying with the item formula in order to make xpac gear the best gear.

Drauk · 07-26-2006, 07:47 AM

If leveling-up gear will replace ilvl 88+ epics, that means that the whole itemizitation system build around preventing mudflation was flushed in the toilet.
Somehow i doubt that.

Szlia · 07-26-2006, 07:49 AM

Well... you have new content + 10 levels so it's logical to have a power increase of double magnitude, making current lvl 60 raid gear on par with solo quested lvl 70 gear in TBC.

Cad · 07-26-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Drauk

If leveling-up gear will replace ilvl 88+ epics, that means that the whole itemizitation system build around preventing mudflation was flushed in the toilet.
Somehow i doubt that.

If you don't have a nice little spurt of inflation when the expansion releases, what was the point of releasing it?

Algol Devilstar · 07-26-2006, 07:55 AM

I dont like the sound of that, unless you get massive xp from mobs in TBC that require teir 3 gear to viable beat. Then again I've never seen the playing field leveled at an expansion before, could prove interesting.

Cybsled · 07-26-2006, 07:55 AM

Did you complain when the Velious armors blew the shit out of your Kunark sets? Or Kunark out of vanilla?

It's the same thing. Your previous armor sets will give you a definate advantage in obtaining the newer better stuff, but you have to accept your old stuff will become "crappy" as time goes on.

I have a feeling you wont feel your t3 epeen shrink until you start to get around the level 65 content or so.

Quineloe · 07-26-2006, 07:57 AM

There have been many different statements from Blizzard in this regard. We probably wont know for some time.

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Did you complain when the Velious armors blew the shit out of your Kunark sets? Or Kunark out of vanilla?

The very few pieces you obtained by leveling up in Velious didn't blow the shit out of the Kunark armor. It required the level 60 raiding content drops to do that.

If green level 65 drops are better than T3 then Blizzard is truely crazy.

Drauk · 07-26-2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybsled

Your previous armor sets will give you a definate advantage in obtaining the newer better stuff, but you have to accept your old stuff will become "crappy" as time goes on.

Nobody is arguing with that. But solo/5man epics with ilvl88+ ? Or even worse, blues of ivl 100 ? Thats doesnt fit at all.

Cad · 07-26-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Drauk

Nobody is arguing with that. But solo/5man epics with ilvl88+ ? Or even worse, blues of ivl 100 ? Thats doesnt fit at all.

I have a feeling it's not the ilvl thats going to make the TBC armor overpowered, it's going to be the new mods (maybe a +hit/crit/-enemydodge/-enemyparry mod, or mods that add elemental damage to melee attacks - that sort of thing) and sockets.

Samflam · 07-26-2006, 08:01 AM

Kinda makes me wonder why I am bothering raiding at all right now.

Dyscord · 07-26-2006, 08:04 AM

Not only that, but making it so that 5 man blues and shit being better than T3 means MC, BWL, AQ40, AQ20, ZG, and Naxx all became absafuckinglutly useless zones. You'd think that if they wanted to at least keep SOME of the old content popular, they'd itemize single group blues etc just a bit below BWL items or something. That way casual guilds would raid BWL and up the same that they raid MC right now.

And well, I'm raiding right now because dreamwalker is quite a hot fashion statement.

Tuco · 07-26-2006, 08:06 AM

I have a feeling they'll re-organize the iLvl system. I'm not sure what they expected with having 3 tiers at level 60, if they intended on keeping the ilvl in parallel with character level, or what exactly. I really do not limit Blizzard's itemization based on the system they set up, because they can just change it.

The expectation I had going into TBC was that there would be solo-to-5man stuff all the way up to level 70, and then at 70 we would begin to see 10 to 40 man content. If the leveling methods are similar to the pre-60 leveling methods, having a 20 man raid at level 65 would be as assinine as having a 20 man raid at level 35.

With that in mind, I expected T3 to be roughly equivalent to the valor/devout T0 of TBC, and we wouldn't start replacing everything until we get into TBC's might/prophecy T1.

Eyonix makes it sound like the "kill 15 outland murlocs please" quests will yield epic breastplates and the "Find my necklace it's in the outland lol" will give you a legendary sword. I really don't believe this will be true, but only time will tell.

findar · 07-26-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cad

I have a feeling it's not the ilvl thats going to make the TBC armor overpowered, it's going to be the new mods (maybe a +hit/crit/-enemydodge/-enemyparry mod, or mods that add elemental damage to melee attacks - that sort of thing) and sockets.

doesnt +crit/+hit/spelldmg/etc factor into ilvl?

Cad · 07-26-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by findar

doesnt +crit/+hit/spelldmg/etc factor into ilvl?

Yes, but by the budget blizzard sets. They just make the new mods cost less in the item budget than the old mods, and blam - new armor is better even at a much lower ilvl.

07-26-2006, 07:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
Drauk Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 712 -1 Internets	If leveling-up gear will replace ilvl 88+ epics, that means that the whole itemizitation system build around preventing mudflation was flushed in the toilet. Somehow i doubt that. __________________ God to Earth: “Cry more, noobs!”

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Szlia Conquest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,643 +25 Internets	Well... you have new content + 10 levels so it's logical to have a power increase of double magnitude, making current lvl 60 raid gear on par with solo quested lvl 70 gear in TBC. __________________ -retrosabotage-

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Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,277 +49 Internets	Did you complain when the Velious armors blew the shit out of your Kunark sets? Or Kunark out of vanilla? It's the same thing. Your previous armor sets will give you a definate advantage in obtaining the newer better stuff, but you have to accept your old stuff will become "crappy" as time goes on. I have a feeling you wont feel your t3 epeen shrink until you start to get around the level 65 content or so. __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

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07-26-2006, 07:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 6,674 -37 Internets	At the current XP curves, I believe it'll take the same amount of time to level to 70 from 60 as it took to go from 1 to 54. That said - do you really want to be wearing tier 3 gear at 70? What does that say about the content if pre-expansion stuff is still top notch? You really want to trivialize and/or not need the majority of the content in the game at that point just to satisfy your e-peen? I'd wager there will be some new types of stats on gear as well as some monkeying with the item formula in order to make xpac gear the best gear.

07-26-2006, 07:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
Algol Devilstar Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The NW Posts: 3,497 +0 Internets	I dont like the sound of that, unless you get massive xp from mobs in TBC that require teir 3 gear to viable beat. Then again I've never seen the playing field leveled at an expansion before, could prove interesting.

07-26-2006, 08:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
Dyscord Harvey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Command Carrier Posts: 2,180 +38 Internets	Not only that, but making it so that 5 man blues and shit being better than T3 means MC, BWL, AQ40, AQ20, ZG, and Naxx all became absafuckinglutly useless zones. You'd think that if they wanted to at least keep SOME of the old content popular, they'd itemize single group blues etc just a bit below BWL items or something. That way casual guilds would raid BWL and up the same that they raid MC right now. And well, I'm raiding right now because dreamwalker is quite a hot fashion statement.

07-26-2006, 08:06 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 10,720 +75 Internets	I have a feeling they'll re-organize the iLvl system. I'm not sure what they expected with having 3 tiers at level 60, if they intended on keeping the ilvl in parallel with character level, or what exactly. I really do not limit Blizzard's itemization based on the system they set up, because they can just change it. The expectation I had going into TBC was that there would be solo-to-5man stuff all the way up to level 70, and then at 70 we would begin to see 10 to 40 man content. If the leveling methods are similar to the pre-60 leveling methods, having a 20 man raid at level 65 would be as assinine as having a 20 man raid at level 35. With that in mind, I expected T3 to be roughly equivalent to the valor/devout T0 of TBC, and we wouldn't start replacing everything until we get into TBC's might/prophecy T1. Eyonix makes it sound like the "kill 15 outland murlocs please" quests will yield epic breastplates and the "Find my necklace it's in the outland lol" will give you a legendary sword. I really don't believe this will be true, but only time will tell.