T3 Gear Laughable in TBC.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Cad

Obviously. It might be the at end of a major quest chain involving all wings of Hellfire Citadel - it might be a rare drop off one of the last bosses, might be alot of things. If it's not in a raid where it's acquired, the point is made. Which we don't know. So I can speculate that it drops off critters in outland with just as much credibility as you can speculate that it'll never drop in anything but a 40-man. We don't know.

You're retarded. I didn't say it would drop in a 40 man. Its too shitty to drop in a 40 man. What I'm saying is you're not going to get it the day you ding 61. Making anything you get in Naxx well worthwhile for going through probably all of the 60-69 content.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by chu

How exactly is my dreadnaught armor supposed to help me level to 70 fasteR?

That dev response is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard and something is definetely amiss.

ANd I seriously doubt it will make me 5man group that much better at doing the level 60-70 5man instances. The instances have to be doable with the current blue gear or otherwise the forums will be in a shitstorm.

Did you ever do BRD 5 man in all greens? Its 'doable,' but it was hard as shit. The content this game shipped with, if you did it with the appropriate number of people in the first 2-3 months the game was around, was hard as fucking hell. Considering you won't be able to zerg through the expansion instances like you did in the release game, having tier 3 is going to be way better than doing it in blues.

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The folks who grinded the insane honor grind are going to shit a brick if they have to do it again to 'keep up' their reet pvp gear.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Mist-Warsong

Did you ever do BRD 5 man in all greens? Its 'doable,' but it was hard as shit. The content this game shipped with, if you did it with the appropriate number of people in the first 2-3 months the game was around, was hard as fucking hell. Considering you won't be able to zerg through the expansion instances like you did in the release game, having tier 3 is going to be way better than doing it in blues.

No shit. I remember doing BRD with the lvl 55 cap. I think it was Nurfed who swore it couldn't be done with less then 10 people and my group did it the next day with 5. <3 Still had to use pretty gimpy tactics at certain parts.

[SpuddsSpudsly]

Originally Posted by Cad

It's as if you don't understand that this is a game that people play for fun and it's not fun being locked out of the last 18 months of content patches because you have an odd play schedule.

This is hillarious. The implication that games are never competitive or reward time invested. Listen, I play chess, I would love to be a GM chess player though I do not have the time to play that much. Does this mean that somehow people who do put the time in and get good don't deserve to get more out of it? No, they put in their time and as a result they profit from it. I put large amounts of my time into playing this game, and as a result, it would be nice to be rewarded (even in the meager means of imaginary items).

[Tolanin]

he said now it will be higher lvl to rep t3
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...tmp=1#blizzard

thats not nearly so bad as replacing it with blues.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by SpuddsSpudsly

This is hillarious. The implication that games are never competitive or reward time invested. Listen, I play chess, I would love to be a GM chess player though I do not have the time to play that much. Does this mean that somehow people who do put the time in and get good don't deserve to get more out of it? No, they put in their time and as a result they profit from it. I put large amounts of my time into playing this game, and as a result, it would be nice to be rewarded (even in the meager means of imaginary items).

Horrid analogy on multiple levels. There is no content in chess that non-GM players are locked out of. There are no peices in chess that non-GM players cannot equip/use. There is no ongoing chess design committee that only releases content for GM chess players.

You want to spend more time playing and get rewarded for it. Thats fine! I just want to have content in the game that can keep me and the 75% of the playerbase who plays like I do (see: non-raiding) busy, as well as keeping raiders busy. It's really Blizzard's fault for not releasing enough content - and then the content they do release is all raids. I really have no issue with raiders getting better gear, if I had shit to do it would be irrelevant.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

No shit. I remember doing BRD with the lvl 55 cap. I think it was Nurfed who swore it couldn't be done with less then 10 people and my group did it the next day with 5. <3 Still had to use pretty gimpy tactics at certain parts.

I did BRD at the 55 cap also and remember vividly in Live when people wouldn't go into BRD until 60. The first BRD group to kill the emperor on my server had like 14 people in it..most of them 60. /sigh

Originally Posted by Tolanin

he said now it will be higher lvl to rep t3
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...tmp=1#blizzard

thats not nearly so bad as replacing it with blues.

Originally Posted by Eyonix

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the boards lately concerning how current end-game gear will be replaced upon leveling in the Burning Crusade and we thought that many of you would appreciate some clarification. The basic idea is that players who have recently obtained level 60 will gain access to immediate upgrades from expansion quests and creatures. Our exact estimates as to when tier 3 gear will become outdated have shifted back and forth somewhat as we continue to tune the expansion, however not dramatically so. While we do anticipate players wearing full tier 3 gear to find some upgrades/sidegrades from new endgame dungeons, the big draw will be in Karazahn and higher.

Please keep in mind that this information is simply meant to provide everyone with some insight into this process, and much like any aspect of game play that's still in development, it's subject to change.

It doesn't exactly say where the better-than-naxx loot will fall. It does say the big draw is in Karazhan.. which implies Karazhan loot will be better than naxx. Later in the thread he says the Risk V Reward in Karazhan will be "very high", I guess meaning it'll be very difficult. He really doesn't say alot here.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by SpuddsSpudsly

This is hillarious. The implication that games are never competitive or reward time invested. Listen, I play chess, I would love to be a GM chess player though I do not have the time to play that much. Does this mean that somehow people who do put the time in and get good don't deserve to get more out of it? No, they put in their time and as a result they profit from it. I put large amounts of my time into playing this game, and as a result, it would be nice to be rewarded (even in the meager means of imaginary items).

So you think you have the ability to be a Grand Master? And I could have been an Olympic skier. I just didn't have enough time.

Chess is just a terrible example. My skiiing example is also terrible.

World of Warcraft has nothing in terms of difficulty that would actually bar a player from experiencing the content. Any skills you might need can be learned. You know, skills like showing up on time, listening, not being a drama queen, having the correct mods, and other amazing abilities possed by a select few blessed by God.

edit - fuck you Cad for beating me to it.

[Tolanin]

im glad he clarified, its a far cry from saying t3 will be laughable at 70... i am all for a GOD style single group area thats really hard and surpasses old raid content.

[SpuddsSpudsly]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

So you think you have the ability to be a Grand Master? And I could have been an Olympic skier. I just didn't have enough time.

Chess is just a terrible example. My skiiing example is also terrible.

World of Warcraft has nothing in terms of difficulty that would actually bar a player from experiencing the content. Any skills you might need can be learned. You know, skills like showing up on time, listening, not being a drama queen, having the correct mods, and other amazing abilities possed by a select few blessed by God.

edit - fuck you Cad for beating me to it.

Maybe saying GM is a bad example, but IM probably is not or if that's a reach achieving _____ rating, the goal isn't important. The point is that you want to spend your time getting better at something. In general when you get better at a sport, you enjoy it, you enjoy beating people you could not previously beat or accomplishing things you could not previously accomplish. People play this game for 40 hours a week to have their characters get better, if you tell us now "in 5 months, the 40 hours a week you are putting in now will be worthless," there's an entire community that wonders why they are playing now.

[Mist]

FYI The post where he said the tier 3 gear will be laughable got deleted from the thread he replied to.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Mist-Warsong

FYI The post where he said the tier 3 gear will be laughable got deleted from the thread he replied to.

I was wondering about that, I thought the thread title was just someone drama-queening it up because I hadn't seen the laughable response anywhere.

T3 definitely should not be "laughable", but there should be upgrades to it from the hardest level 70 5-10man stuff. If thats Karazhan, fantastic.

[Man0warr]

Karazhan will be the 10-man dungeon thats hard even for a full group of 70s aye?

Finally some difficult 5 and 10mans for end-game guilds to do during the day.

[Torrid]

I will agree that WoW is long overdue for a new 5-man dungeon, but fuck. MMO = massively multiplayer. I.e. you should expect content to be massively multiplayer; i.e. if you do nothing but 5-mans, maybe you should go play diablo?

The REAL problem is that raiding has too many entry barriers. It would be nice if there were raids where any random person can just ride up and join in, contribute for as long as he wants, then leave and yet still get rewarded for his time. I believe this is one reason why PvP in WoW is so popular.