Hellpit on Black Dragonflight - Page 2

WarderX · 07-26-2006, 10:33 AM

Haha, I decided to do a little internet dectective snooping.

Well, a guy named Hellpit posts on a lot of porn forums, but most significantly, a furry forum.

Couldn't find anything else but that should give you some comfort that he is that much of a loser.

Clowns · 07-26-2006, 11:00 AM

Why do you need hellpit's personal information to report him to the FBI? They have ALL the tools needed to find him. Go ahead and say he threatened to blow up a building or something in irc chat and get homeland security activated on his ass.

Ham n Cheese · 07-26-2006, 11:14 AM

Former company I worked for had to report some guy for using stolen credit cards. Basically they had to refund everyone's money (lost their products) and were blown off by the FBI for the next year until they eventually just stopped worrying about it.

Mero · 07-26-2006, 11:22 AM

Assuming you are located in California, ...why not file a Pre-Suit Discovery action against Blizzard for the identification(name and address) of this individual? Blizzard's User Agreement provides a Choice of Law provision for California jurisdiction so it wouldn't require any large travel expense. Most states, including Illinois-where I practice, allow for a Pre-Suit Discovery procedure, ie., Supreme Court Rule 224 and Section 2-402 of the Code of Civil Procedure. The purpose being to identify "potential, but unknown" defendants in a civil suit. Happens all the time. In fact, I used the Illinois statute just the other day to identify a potential defendant's name, address, employment position, etc.

My point is, you might have a civil cause of action against this individual under possibly two federal Telecommunications/Internet laws that would award you civil damages for the monetary injury you and your company has sustained. Therefore, pursuant to the Blizzard Privacy Policy, as well as State and Federal Pre-Suit Discovery statutes, you might have a basis for seeking this information. Blizzard's Policy provides for the release of this information under certain circumstances(arguments pro/con unknown); to wit,

"We reserve the right to disclose your personal information as required by law or in special cases when we have reason to believe that disclosing such information is necessary to identify, contact, or bring legal action against you if you are violating the Terms of Service or Use Agreements for a Blizzard site or product, or may be causing injury to or interference (intentionally or unintentionally) with Blizzard's rights or property, other users of a Blizzard site or product, or anyone else who could be harmed by your activities."

You probably don't want to expend the money for an attorney's service in this matter but it might be your only possibility. Of course, certain statutes do provide for the recovery of attorney fees if successful. I am unaware as to whether any applicable statutes would provide for same herein.

Otherwise, contact your local District attorney and request his service in prosecuting this individual for telephone harassment. I have never researched the laws in this area, nor do I practice criminal law, but it seems to me that if someone is harassing you by telephone (ie., internet/wwweb) it would be in violation of several criminal harassment laws if his actions are intentional or reckless. (note: guesstimation on my part, just throwing out ideas) The point is, District Attorney's have the right to subpeona this information if relevant to the prosecution of a crime. Of course, you really don't know if it is him unless you have some form of an admission that he in fact is "ddos'ing" your servers. Did you, or will you, suffer some financial harm due to his actions? Are his actions a violation of your Terms and Conditions policy for all viewers/users of your internet sites/servers?

Just thought I would throw some shit out there during my lunch hour to give you some ideas. Good luck my friend.

Caveat: I practice in the areas of Employment/Labor Law and Insurance defense work (including medical malpractice), but not in the areas of law heretofore discussed.

Stoerm · 07-26-2006, 11:41 AM

Just couldn't resist throwing in a disclaimer at the end there, eh Mero?

Bah, lawyers =p

Mero · 07-26-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoerm

Just couldn't resist throwing in a disclaimer at the end there, eh Mero?

Bah, lawyers =p

hehe

turner · 07-26-2006, 11:59 AM

Hosting company can't block his ddos attack?

Soygen · 07-26-2006, 12:08 PM

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Insurance defense work

You evil sonofagun!

forge · 07-26-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by turner

Hosting company can't block his ddos attack?

The bliss of ddos is that you can't simply block it. All those packets have to be dealt with, be it at a network card or at a router. Sure you can block the ip address, but then routers still has to deal with it. Every packet its blocking is simply another legit packet being slowed. In major attacks it makes little difference to simply block a ip. However in this case I'm sure their host has far more bandwidth than a single kid can deal with.

Ravvenn · 07-26-2006, 01:24 PM

Another reason to hate AOL!

Dalien · 07-26-2006, 02:31 PM

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He has been ddos'ing our servers because somebody that hangs out in irc.uberguilds.org ganked him. I need to gather information to give to the FBI, because I am now required to give an FBI case number to cogent to have the bandwidth burst fees waived.

Heh, why am I not surprised to read this? This little douche used to do the same thing on Lightbringer IRC. He also plays a mage called Elohist. It's good to hear he transferred off our server

riot · 07-26-2006, 04:03 PM

Ah, I see what Mero is saying.

Basically, in a civil suit you can file against John Doe. You then enter the period before trial called discovery...basically where you establish and begin asserting the facts of your case, to be outlined in your bill of particulars (bullet point of facts).

To get the name of this attacker, you'd probably need Hellpit's IP or something. You then ask the company, or ask a judge for a subpoena.

I'm not really convinced of the feasibility of the action nor the cost-effectiveness of it, (how much money does this kid's parents have? can't get blood from a stone, y'know?) if you're really angry you could do the whole thing yourself probably, pro se.

Vorph · 07-26-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by riot

Ah, I see what Mero is saying.

Basically, in a civil suit you can file against John Doe. You then enter the period before trial called discovery...basically where you establish and begin asserting the facts of your case, to be outlined in your bill of particulars (bullet point of facts).

To get the name of this attacker, you'd probably need Hellpit's IP or something. You then ask the company, or ask a judge for a subpoena.

I'm not really convinced of the feasibility of the action nor the cost-effectiveness of it, (how much money does this kid's parents have? can't get blood from a stone, y'know?) if you're really angry you could do the whole thing yourself probably, pro se.

He'd want to subpoena the WoW account info and also the name/address of the comcast user who had the IP he logged last night and today (it was still going on all afternoon).

People were saying the guy was 30ish last night, so he'd be looking at civil and criminal charges for it. If it was my business he was doing this to, I'd do my best to see that he got a criminal record for it in the hope that he works in IT, and can then get to explain to every employer he interviews with for the rest of his life why he has a record for computer-related crimes.

Soygen · 07-26-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorph

People were saying the guy was 30ish last night,

Wow.

That's pretty pathetic.

riot · 07-26-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

Wow.

That's pretty pathetic.

internet roadrage, more or less

07-26-2006, 11:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese The sky calls to us Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 12,417 +58 Internets	Former company I worked for had to report some guy for using stolen credit cards. Basically they had to refund everyone's money (lost their products) and were blown off by the FBI for the next year until they eventually just stopped worrying about it. __________________

07-26-2006, 11:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mero Recall--Misdirection=Game Join Date: May 2005 Location: Utopia Posts: 132 -4 Internets	Assuming you are located in California, ...why not file a Pre-Suit Discovery action against Blizzard for the identification(name and address) of this individual? Blizzard's User Agreement provides a Choice of Law provision for California jurisdiction so it wouldn't require any large travel expense. Most states, including Illinois-where I practice, allow for a Pre-Suit Discovery procedure, ie., Supreme Court Rule 224 and Section 2-402 of the Code of Civil Procedure. The purpose being to identify "potential, but unknown" defendants in a civil suit. Happens all the time. In fact, I used the Illinois statute just the other day to identify a potential defendant's name, address, employment position, etc. My point is, you might have a civil cause of action against this individual under possibly two federal Telecommunications/Internet laws that would award you civil damages for the monetary injury you and your company has sustained. Therefore, pursuant to the Blizzard Privacy Policy, as well as State and Federal Pre-Suit Discovery statutes, you might have a basis for seeking this information. Blizzard's Policy provides for the release of this information under certain circumstances(arguments pro/con unknown); to wit, "We reserve the right to disclose your personal information as required by law or in special cases when we have reason to believe that disclosing such information is necessary to identify, contact, or bring legal action against you if you are violating the Terms of Service or Use Agreements for a Blizzard site or product, or may be causing injury to or interference (intentionally or unintentionally) with Blizzard's rights or property, other users of a Blizzard site or product, or anyone else who could be harmed by your activities." You probably don't want to expend the money for an attorney's service in this matter but it might be your only possibility. Of course, certain statutes do provide for the recovery of attorney fees if successful. I am unaware as to whether any applicable statutes would provide for same herein. Otherwise, contact your local District attorney and request his service in prosecuting this individual for telephone harassment. I have never researched the laws in this area, nor do I practice criminal law, but it seems to me that if someone is harassing you by telephone (ie., internet/wwweb) it would be in violation of several criminal harassment laws if his actions are intentional or reckless. (note: guesstimation on my part, just throwing out ideas) The point is, District Attorney's have the right to subpeona this information if relevant to the prosecution of a crime. Of course, you really don't know if it is him unless you have some form of an admission that he in fact is "ddos'ing" your servers. Did you, or will you, suffer some financial harm due to his actions? Are his actions a violation of your Terms and Conditions policy for all viewers/users of your internet sites/servers? Just thought I would throw some shit out there during my lunch hour to give you some ideas. Good luck my friend. Caveat: I practice in the areas of Employment/Labor Law and Insurance defense work (including medical malpractice), but not in the areas of law heretofore discussed. __________________ Merovingian Fires of Heaven

07-26-2006, 01:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Ravvenn Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,381 +143 Internets	Another reason to hate AOL! __________________ Melia "I Win" McMomma, Fires of Heaven It's like you're a premature ejaculator... of love. -Alcestis

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07-26-2006, 10:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +2 Internets	Haha, I decided to do a little internet dectective snooping. Well, a guy named Hellpit posts on a lot of porn forums, but most significantly, a furry forum. Couldn't find anything else but that should give you some comfort that he is that much of a loser.

07-26-2006, 11:00 AM	#17 (permalink)
Clowns Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 462 -4 Internets	Why do you need hellpit's personal information to report him to the FBI? They have ALL the tools needed to find him. Go ahead and say he threatened to blow up a building or something in irc chat and get homeland security activated on his ass.

07-26-2006, 11:41 AM	#20 (permalink)
Stoerm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Costa Posts: 566	Just couldn't resist throwing in a disclaimer at the end there, eh Mero? Bah, lawyers =p

07-26-2006, 11:59 AM	#22 (permalink)
turner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26 +0 Internets	Hosting company can't block his ddos attack?

07-26-2006, 04:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
riot Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 105 +0 Internets	Ah, I see what Mero is saying. Basically, in a civil suit you can file against John Doe. You then enter the period before trial called discovery...basically where you establish and begin asserting the facts of your case, to be outlined in your bill of particulars (bullet point of facts). To get the name of this attacker, you'd probably need Hellpit's IP or something. You then ask the company, or ask a judge for a subpoena. I'm not really convinced of the feasibility of the action nor the cost-effectiveness of it, (how much money does this kid's parents have? can't get blood from a stone, y'know?) if you're really angry you could do the whole thing yourself probably, pro se.