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Originally Posted by Maxxius

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I'd realy dig seeing the results of a manditory log in poll (like EQ did for a while) that had you either put in order of preference or rate on a scale of how much you like: raiding, world pvp, battle ground pvp, single grouping, or soloing.

I'd love to see the results. I'm one to belive that the majority of players don't raid, or only raid because it's the only real means to progress your character (not counting the epic pvp gear you can sell your soul for). However, without an across the board poll, it's impossible to know for sure.

[Stanos]

Should be an option:

Raid to get pvp gear.

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indeed.

[Clericnon2boxed]

Originally Posted by Stanos

Should be an option:

Raid to get pvp gear.

Explain what you mean with "raid", because I dont see what keeps you from doing pvp with the gear you can obtain from "raiding" PVE.

Maybe you mean Thrall and the others should drop some uber loot or so. (But then, what would keep the PVEers doing them? cockblocking you eventually)

[Ukerric]

Originally Posted by frott

Again, who gives a shit about WHO HAS done it, what matters is WHO HAS ACCESS TO DO IT.

By that strict definition, it's 100% of the players who have a level 60 character. Any level 60 character can join an open raid group and get to kill Ragnaros.

Guess what: they can drop Rag tomorrow. That qualifies the person who owns the character as actually doing it I M O

Then 100% of the players have downed Ragnaros? Does that sounds silly? Come on. I want to hear it. Come on, say it.

The fact is that about 70% of the playerbase does not raid. It doesn't matter that they could - theoretically speaking, 100% of the playerbase COULD raid. What matters is that they do not. Their reasons for not raiding are multiple, but the result matters: if these people aren't raiding now, the odds of them getting to raid in the near future are relatively low.

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by Stanos

Should be an option:

Raid to get pvp gear.

I don't really understand what this means. Are you saying gear obtained from rep grinding or rank grinding should not be allowed?

Trust me grinding rank and rep takes a heck of a lot more time than mere raiding. And if you are trying to grind rank, you are just plumb stuck doing ONLY that, or what you accomplished begins to decay.

[Quineloe]

not exactly true Maxxius :P

on a fresh server you'll be rank 14 before you have a full T1 set.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

not exactly true Maxxius :P

on a fresh server you'll be rank 14 before you have a full T1 set.

Calendar time or /played?

I had a full tier 1 set on my hunter at about 24 days /played.

Rank 14 is going to take alot more than that. The PvP system is malleable because it depends on competition - the PvE system is static. Comparing the two is stupid. It's safe to say on most servers, rank 14 represents a much larger time investment than MC/BWL.

[Glaive]

Originally Posted by Stanos

Should be an option:

Raid to get pvp gear.

Am I the only person who interpreted this as him meaning "People who do PVE raids in order to get better gear with which to engage in PVP?"

It seems like the last several posters were trying to make this into a more complicated concept than it was intended as.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Cad

Calendar time or /played?

I had a full tier 1 set on my hunter at about 24 days /played.

calender time of course. Just a little bit of PVP action while you level up and you're rank 6-7 by the time you hit 60.

but hey, compare yourself:

http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thre...&tmp=1#post928

http://www.wow-europe.com/pvp/index....&faction=a#top

... discount the "Real" entry for nefarian. that one's fake.

[Cad]

I'm well aware you can make GM/HWL pretty early on a new server compared to PvE progression. Thats only because of lockouts though. It'll still take 13 straight weeks of #1 standing to make GM/HWL in the shortest amount of time.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Only 24 days played? Must have been a fucking leech. I think I've spent 24 days /played just farming mats and gold for Nax. 8(

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Cad

I'm well aware you can make GM/HWL pretty early on a new server compared to PvE progression. Thats only because of lockouts though. It'll still take 13 straight weeks of #1 standing to make GM/HWL in the shortest amount of time.

that's not really important. A group of 10 active players can EASILY equip themselves in epic PVP set in these 13 weeks. How long will it take to gear up 10 players with 60 epics in PVE when you start at level 10?

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Only 24 days played? Must have been a fucking leech. I think I've spent 24 days /played just farming mats and gold for Nax. 8(

Nah, I was in the group from the first pull. And we're just talking about MC here. We started it in about June 2005.

And Quinloe, if by EASILY you mean playing 16 hours a day in a steamroll group.. then ok. That's not easily to me, perhaps you have alot of free time.

[Bizanich]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

that's not really important. A group of 10 active players can EASILY equip themselves in epic PVP set in these 13 weeks. How long will it take to gear up 10 players with 60 epics in PVE when you start at level 10?

Less time then that.

Altar of Storms isn't even 90 days old and an Alliance guild has downed Nefarian. A Horde guild is on Nefarian.

The best pvp 10 man team Horde side, the highest of them is a General.

The PvE raids are rapidly equipping 40+ people. The PvP is equipping 10.

I will say that the 10 man Horde team is having a comparitively "easy" time of it considering 14 hour days every day . Every Alliance team is scared to go toe to toe with them, thus creating easy wins.

They're only gearing 10 guys versus entire guilds, though, so the PvE is still OBVIOUSLY easier and quicker.