EQ2 Live Update #24 & Fallen Dynasty - Page 7

Janx · 06-16-2006, 04:25 PM

I actually like most of the melee combat animations, its just every other animation in the game seems like its running at 3501035fps, slow that shit down sony!

Dantre · 06-17-2006, 12:19 AM

I'm giving it a shot again -- haven't played for a year

So far it seems much, much easier to progress than before, though I liked the old newbie island setup better. I'll also echo the improvements in FPS/smoothness - 1.5 gigs here, last summer I had chop at 'balanced.' Now, it's near flawless at high quality.

One question - I've conned some friends into giving this a go too, so we're going to be aiming for good group challenges. When should I/we pick up the expansions? I'm not sure how long this will last, so no desire unless it's game breaking to buy the expansion stuff.

I don't see this satisfying my pvp needs... WoW still has that going

Cuppycake · 06-17-2006, 12:59 AM

Pick up KoS at level 20 so that you can start getting Achievement Points. Splitpaw Saga is good at level 20 also...it scales up as you level. Bloodline Chronicles is level 30-40 and offers good stuff, but no one really uses it much =x I haven't made use of it yet. The latest adventure pack is for level 55-70 I believe, so no need for that yet.

Soriak · 06-17-2006, 05:19 AM

Splitpaw might not be all that anymore, especially since they nerfed Harclave. Didn't like bloodline chronicles either, but I didn't spend much time there.

Definatly pick up KoS at 20 for the AA exp. Personally I'd also get the new Fallen Dynasty AP - although it's 55+ you have both the freeport and qeynos broker next to each other. They both charge black market prices, but it couldn't be easier to check on what the other side has for sale - safed a fortune already, inquisitor spells selling for 10g with black market fee instead of 30g with normal comission. The black market comission is 40%, normal broker 20% - so just divide the black market value by 140 and multiply by 120 to check if it'd be cheaper buying from your own kind market.

One tip on how to make money: go after the ?s. Those collection things sell for a fortune, especially the ones from low level zones. No one goes there anymore, but people still want the AA exp from completing them. Make sure you all finish it first though, AA exp > money.

Desert of Flames you should get at level 50, because at that point you're still too low to do KoS well - plus the AA discovery exp is priceless.

Have you settled on a server yet? Quite a few of us from the board play on Permafrost.

Angry Amadeus · 06-17-2006, 08:18 AM

They really need to put a warning out about achievement xp and buying DoF and exploring it post-50 *before* purchasing KoS.

I'm not heavy into gaming like I used to be, but with my 52 necro, I didn't buy DoF until I could use it, and was thinking the same thing for KoS (level 60-ish). When I bought KoS a few weeks back and discovered that I could be getting achievement xp since level 20, it almost made me want to reroll my character.

What a fucking pain in the ass. Seriously.

Lyenae · 06-17-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Amadeus

They really need to put a warning out about achievement xp and buying DoF and exploring it post-50 *before* purchasing KoS.

Yea, generally you lose anywhere from 10-25 AA points depending on how many collections/explorations you did if you hold off on KOS till 50+.

While you can always go back and mentor to kill named mobs, you cannot "re-do" collections/explorations. Both of these sources of AA are huge, and without them, you'll have to do quite a bit of AA grinding once you hit 70 to max your AA's.

Soriak · 06-17-2006, 08:58 AM

Are you sure you can't redo explorations? I bought KoS when it released and got AA exp for re-visiting the areas, was that a one-time reset?

Abalieno · 06-17-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Amadeus

They really need to put a warning out about achievement xp and buying DoF and exploring it post-50 *before* purchasing KoS.

I'm not heavy into gaming like I used to be, but with my 52 necro, I didn't buy DoF until I could use it, and was thinking the same thing for KoS (level 60-ish). When I bought KoS a few weeks back and discovered that I could be getting achievement xp since level 20, it almost made me want to reroll my character.

I agree with you here.

SOE or someone else should put together a detailed guide to the content of each expansion and mini xp-pack so that people know better what they are getting and the purpose of it.

Hmm.. I could start to gather some info but it won't be too easy.

Iannis · 06-17-2006, 09:26 AM

I like eq2 quite a bit. One thing I'll say about it however is that it's such an undocumented hodgepodge. Spoiler sites or official documentation it really makes no difference. They all sorta suck. It's the sort of game you really have to learn through experience with. It'll burn you like that at times. Stuff like that AA explore xp crap, stuff like the mid level tradeskill only sekrit sauce abilities. I'm sure there's plenty more than that.

I don't know if it was intentional or not. It does manage to capture -some- of the online ambience of eq1 because of it. I can't say that it's nessicarily a good feature, but it really is sort of endearing.

Angry Amadeus · 06-17-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Soriak

Are you sure you can't redo explorations? I bought KoS when it released and got AA exp for re-visiting the areas, was that a one-time reset?

I'm pretty positive, I've been everywhere since purchasing KoS and haven't had one update in the old zones.

And Edit: It's also a real pain in the ass mentoring down and hunting in the old zones for AA exp (named, whatever). There are three reasons why implementing the AA exp at level 20 (I believe) is a stupid fucking idea and why it would be better to have it set at 50 (initially; it's far past the point of no return now):

1. You cannot redo level 20 quests at 50 even if mentoring.

2. You have to mentor to kill named mobs at 50-60.

3. You have no way of telling what you have or have not killed / quested (for achievement xp, since there's no difference notation in the "completed" quest information box).

Sometimes I want to take the person who ultimately decides on implementing things like this and shake them by their greasy fucking necks until their eyes pop.

Soriak · 06-17-2006, 09:59 AM

It's not really that big a deal... when you hit 70 all the exp you gain goes to AA - I'd agree with you if questing/exploring was the ONLY way to gain AAs.

Especially with the release of the new AP there are numerous quests you can do at 70 and places left to explore. Plus the sheer amount of collection quests... I once printed a list up to KoS that was about 6 pages - going to have to search for it later and see if they added some missing ones and Fallen Destiny.

Angry Amadeus · 06-17-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Soriak

It's not really that big a deal... when you hit 70 all the exp you gain goes to AA - I'd agree with you if questing/exploring was the ONLY way to gain AAs.

Especially with the release of the new AP there are numerous quests you can do at 70 and places left to explore. Plus the sheer amount of collection quests... I once printed a list up to KoS that was about 6 pages - going to have to search for it later and see if they added some missing ones and Fallen Destiny.

I guess I just fell into the bracket of "Worst Possible Case Scenario" by hitting 50, buying DoF with the intention and knowledge that level 50 was perfect for SS/PoF/etc., and then putting off KoS until 60.

Of course, caveat emptor aside, there should be an easier way to monitor what you have and have not accomplished since level 20 if you pick up KoS at level 55.

Lyenae · 06-17-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Soriak

It's not really that big a deal... when you hit 70 all the exp you gain goes to AA -.

Still alot of time to spend doing AA's. I had only 17 after getting KOS at level 55. I can maybe grind 1 AA every 4 hours. If I had KOS at start, that would have saved me perhaps 40-80 hours since I'd be up 10-25 AA.

The time doesn't sound long, but depending on the server you play on, 40-80 hours of grinding may take you more than a month.

Angry Amadeus · 06-17-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyenae

Still alot of time to spend doing AA's. I had only 17 after getting KOS at level 55. I can maybe grind 1 AA every 4 hours. If I had KOS at start, that would have saved me perhaps 40-80 hours since I'd be up 10-25 AA.

The time doesn't sound long, but depending on the server you play on, 40-80 hours of grinding may take you more than a month.

80 hours of play (total) is roughly equivalent to 12 weeks of play time for me. So there you have it.

Soriak · 06-17-2006, 12:41 PM

Yeah I see how it can waste a lot of time - just think of the people who were 60 when KoS released though.

On the upside there'll be a lot of areas to explore with the new expansion in november, and even more quests to do.

I've also done pretty much all the common collections (those where you can buy the pieces on the broker) prior to KoS and I have 17AA at level 68

But there's still a lot of quests, many with great rewards - so I suppose for me it just comes along naturally without trying to grind for it. AAs don't seem critical, maybe it's different when you're raiding a lot though.

06-16-2006, 04:25 PM	#91 (permalink)
Janx Mr. Pibb + Redvines = crazy delicious Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Near Memphis Posts: 630 -4 Internets	I actually like most of the melee combat animations, its just every other animation in the game seems like its running at 3501035fps, slow that shit down sony! __________________ Janxs of The Fabled - Hyjal

06-17-2006, 12:59 AM	#93 (permalink)
Cuppycake Plugged In Like Neo Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,372	Pick up KoS at level 20 so that you can start getting Achievement Points. Splitpaw Saga is good at level 20 also...it scales up as you level. Bloodline Chronicles is level 30-40 and offers good stuff, but no one really uses it much =x I haven't made use of it yet. The latest adventure pack is for level 55-70 I believe, so no need for that yet. __________________ Metaplace - Nothing I say here represents my employer, legalblahdiddyblah. twitter \| web \| blog

06-17-2006, 08:18 AM	#95 (permalink)
Angry Amadeus Brained. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Salzburg Posts: 1,798	They really need to put a warning out about achievement xp and buying DoF and exploring it post-50 before purchasing KoS. I'm not heavy into gaming like I used to be, but with my 52 necro, I didn't buy DoF until I could use it, and was thinking the same thing for KoS (level 60-ish). When I bought KoS a few weeks back and discovered that I could be getting achievement xp since level 20, it almost made me want to reroll my character. What a fucking pain in the ass. Seriously. __________________ Angry Amadeus Burn in hell, Salieri

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06-17-2006, 12:19 AM	#92 (permalink)
Dantre Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 363 -20 Internets	I'm giving it a shot again -- haven't played for a year So far it seems much, much easier to progress than before, though I liked the old newbie island setup better. I'll also echo the improvements in FPS/smoothness - 1.5 gigs here, last summer I had chop at 'balanced.' Now, it's near flawless at high quality. One question - I've conned some friends into giving this a go too, so we're going to be aiming for good group challenges. When should I/we pick up the expansions? I'm not sure how long this will last, so no desire unless it's game breaking to buy the expansion stuff. I don't see this satisfying my pvp needs... WoW still has that going

06-17-2006, 05:19 AM	#94 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,830 +54 Internets	Splitpaw might not be all that anymore, especially since they nerfed Harclave. Didn't like bloodline chronicles either, but I didn't spend much time there. Definatly pick up KoS at 20 for the AA exp. Personally I'd also get the new Fallen Dynasty AP - although it's 55+ you have both the freeport and qeynos broker next to each other. They both charge black market prices, but it couldn't be easier to check on what the other side has for sale - safed a fortune already, inquisitor spells selling for 10g with black market fee instead of 30g with normal comission. The black market comission is 40%, normal broker 20% - so just divide the black market value by 140 and multiply by 120 to check if it'd be cheaper buying from your own kind market. One tip on how to make money: go after the ?s. Those collection things sell for a fortune, especially the ones from low level zones. No one goes there anymore, but people still want the AA exp from completing them. Make sure you all finish it first though, AA exp > money. Desert of Flames you should get at level 50, because at that point you're still too low to do KoS well - plus the AA discovery exp is priceless. Have you settled on a server yet? Quite a few of us from the board play on Permafrost.

06-17-2006, 08:58 AM	#97 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,830 +54 Internets	Are you sure you can't redo explorations? I bought KoS when it released and got AA exp for re-visiting the areas, was that a one-time reset?

06-17-2006, 09:26 AM	#99 (permalink)
Iannis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Butt Hugging Moose Jockey Posts: 4,968 -1 Internets	I like eq2 quite a bit. One thing I'll say about it however is that it's such an undocumented hodgepodge. Spoiler sites or official documentation it really makes no difference. They all sorta suck. It's the sort of game you really have to learn through experience with. It'll burn you like that at times. Stuff like that AA explore xp crap, stuff like the mid level tradeskill only sekrit sauce abilities. I'm sure there's plenty more than that. I don't know if it was intentional or not. It does manage to capture -some- of the online ambience of eq1 because of it. I can't say that it's nessicarily a good feature, but it really is sort of endearing.

06-17-2006, 09:59 AM	#101 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,830 +54 Internets	It's not really that big a deal... when you hit 70 all the exp you gain goes to AA - I'd agree with you if questing/exploring was the ONLY way to gain AAs. Especially with the release of the new AP there are numerous quests you can do at 70 and places left to explore. Plus the sheer amount of collection quests... I once printed a list up to KoS that was about 6 pages - going to have to search for it later and see if they added some missing ones and Fallen Destiny.

06-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,830 +54 Internets	Yeah I see how it can waste a lot of time - just think of the people who were 60 when KoS released though. On the upside there'll be a lot of areas to explore with the new expansion in november, and even more quests to do. I've also done pretty much all the common collections (those where you can buy the pieces on the broker) prior to KoS and I have 17AA at level 68 But there's still a lot of quests, many with great rewards - so I suppose for me it just comes along naturally without trying to grind for it. AAs don't seem critical, maybe it's different when you're raiding a lot though.