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Old 05-23-2006, 10:22 PM   #76 (permalink)
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until the industry gets serious and starts being fully open and transparent with its data.
I don't expect subscriber transparency to ever happen due to the bandwagon nature of these games. If MUDs were of any indication, people tend to flock to where everyone else are, and few want to be stuck on a "sinking" boat, so to speak.

Clandestine optimism is to the interest of MMO companies.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:30 PM   #77 (permalink)
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If you think that the Vanguard forums are leaps and bounds ahead of all other boards, you are the one with "something severely wrong with you. That's rabid fanboyism to an insane degree". When one person is frantically standing on a hill defending his position from lots of others, with no one supporting him, including several people from his own community...guess who tends to be wrong? Or are you the one sane voice in an insane world? Whatever, at least you are amusing.
I think he's referring to the Beta boards, which are in my opinion, much much better than the WoW general, or V:SoH public boards.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:57 AM   #78 (permalink)
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The Vanguard boards reflect an attitude similiar to the one in Germany around 1944. Brad is their "Führer", the vision (tm) is "Mein Kampf" and the success of Vanguard is the "Endsieg". People who doubt the Endsieg are subversive and have to be killed. These weird group dynamics seem to be just a social phenomenom that repeats itsself from time to time.
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Old 05-24-2006, 01:33 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Wow Neric. I've always thought you were a moron. Not even just a normal moron, but one of astronomical proportions. Somehow though, you've just managed to lower everyone's opinion of you even further.

Comparing Brad to Hitler? The vision to Mein Kampf? COME ON! You couldn't be any more rabid. Get a grip and get a clue.
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Old 05-24-2006, 01:35 AM   #80 (permalink)
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The Vanguard boards reflect an attitude similiar to the one in Germany around 1944.
Wow...just wow....
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Old 05-24-2006, 01:50 AM   #81 (permalink)
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What is even funnier about Neric's statement about germany in 1944 is that germany in 1944 was completly different and that the majority of the people disapproved of the war and the "endsieg" from the beginning and especially past 41.

You are such a moron if you make historical comparisons at least get them semi real.
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Old 05-24-2006, 02:01 AM   #82 (permalink)
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What is even funnier about Neric's statement about germany in 1944 is that germany in 1944 was completly different and that the majority of the people disapproved of the war and the "endsieg" from the beginning and especially past 41.

You are such a moron if you make historical comparisons at least get them semi real.
Guess you have to use Babelfish on this. Thats the downside of trying to argue with germans about Germany.

Ich finde es immer lustig, wenn Amerikaner oder andere Nationen den Deutschen erklären wollen, wie es in Deutschland wirklich war. Wer damals den Endsieg in Frage gestellt hat, der kam wegen "Wehrkraftzersetzung" (§ 5 KSSVO) vor den Volksgerichtshof und konnte zum Tode verurteilt werden. Soviel zur historischen Realität.

About Brad as the Führer....remember, the Führer is always right

What we can witness here is a strong cult about a person. The current state of the game doesn't matter as long as Brad is in charge. He will make it good. Have faith in him and everything will turn out well in the end!
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Old 05-24-2006, 02:41 AM   #83 (permalink)
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For a thread complaining about the vanguard boards there sure is some amazing stupidity in this one.
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Old 05-24-2006, 02:52 AM   #84 (permalink)
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...and with your posting it got even worse...
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:05 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Guess you have to use Babelfish on this. Thats the downside of trying to argue with germans about Germany.

Ich finde es immer lustig, wenn Amerikaner oder andere Nationen den Deutschen erklären wollen, wie es in Deutschland wirklich war. Wer damals den Endsieg in Frage gestellt hat, der kam wegen "Wehrkraftzersetzung" (§ 5 KSSVO) vor den Volksgerichtshof und konnte zum Tode verurteilt werden. Soviel zur historischen Realität.

About Brad as the Führer....remember, the Führer is always right

What we can witness here is a strong cult about a person. The current state of the game doesn't matter as long as Brad is in charge. He will make it good. Have faith in him and everything will turn out well in the end!

Also gut Neric wie du willst. Du laberst Müll und zwar ausschliesslich. Ich hab keine ahnung wie alt du bist oder was sonst bei dir kaputt ist, aber ich für meinen teil bin weder Ami noch ungebildet oder ein Kind.
Ich habe mehrere Arbeiten über das Thema geschrieben während meiner Zeit an der Uni, bin also nicht zwingend unwissend was die letzten Kriegsjahre angeht. Deine Aussagen treffen wenn überhaupt auf die "Masse" der Deutschen, dann auf eine deutlich frühere Zeit zu. Hitlers "Regierung" war zwischen 1941 und 1944 alles andere als beliebt oder respektiert. Das einzige was da noch das Land "zusammengehalten" hat waren Angst und Terror. Wo da allerdings die verbindung mit Vanguard und Brad ist frage ich mich ernsthaft.


Sry for the german guys but Neric accused me of being an american lecturing a german about german history, but i guess he missed the spot since i am german living in germany and having studied german history at the university for a couple of years.

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Old 05-24-2006, 03:21 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Sorry, but this is getting funny. If you don't understand german just ignore it. Doesn't have much to do with VG.

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Also gut Neric wie du willst. Du laberst Müll und zwar ausschliesslich. Ich hab keine ahnung wie alt du bist oder was sonst bei dir kaputt ist, aber ich für meinen teil bin weder Ami noch ungebildet oder ein Kind.
Ich habe mehrere Arbeiten über das Thema geschrieben während meiner Zeit an der Uni, bin also nicht zwingend unwissend was die letzten Kriegsjahre angeht. Deine Aussagen treffen wenn überhaupt auf die "Masse" der Deutschen, dann auf eine deutlich frühere Zeit zu. Hitlers "Regierung" war zwischen 1941 und 1944 alles andere als beliebt oder respektiert. Das einzige was da noch das Land "zusammengehalten" hat waren Angst und Terror. Wo da allerdings die verbindung mit Vanguard und Brad ist frage ich mich ernsthaft.
Ich bin 39 und habe unter anderem auch mal 8 Semester Geschichte an der Uni Frankfurt studiert. Bevor dir hier das Toupet hochgeht solltest du jedoch erstmal meine Aussage verstehen.

Ich habe gesagt, die Stimmung auf den VG Boards ist vergleichbar zu Situation in Deutschland, wo Zweifler am Endsieg mit der Todesstrafe zu rechnen hatten. Hatten Zweifler am Endsieg mit der Todesstrafe zu rechnen? Aha...

Es geht nicht darum, ob viele Deutsche an den Endsieg geglaubt haben oder nicht. Es geht um die objektive Rechtslage.

Auf den VG Boards herrscht eine ähnliche "Rechtslage". Dort gibt es diese Blockwarte, die sofort jeden Kritiker runtermachen und ihn an seine Pflicht zum Glaube an den Endsieg erinnern. Der Glaube an den Erfolg ist auf den VG Boards Staatsdoktrin. Willst du das bestreiten? Aha...

Was lernen wir daraus? Erst denken, dann schreiben!

Im Übrigen ist der Vergleich natürlich bewusst provokant, aber er passt sehr gut und genau deshalb tut er so weh. Der Personenkult um Brad ist offensichtlich! Adolf wirds schon richten, wir müssen nur fest dran glauben. Das habe ich leicht paraphrasiert mehrfach auf den Beta-boards gelesen.

P.S.: Deine Theorie, dass Terror das Land zusammenhielt ist lächerlich. Meine Mutter (78) ist Zeitzeuge und die fands damals zu meiner grossen Überraschung ganz toll. Deine Grosseltern übrigends auch...
Mit Vanguard ist das genauso. Sobald es gefloppt ist findet man keine Fans mehr, nur noch Kritiker und "Widerstandskämpfer". Echte Fans hat es dann niemals gegeben.

Wir sollten das bei Bedarf per PM ausdiskutieren, weil die typische deutsche Korintenkackerei auf diesem Board wenig zu suchen hat - I suggest we discuss this via PMs, the rickshaw value is way too high already.
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:39 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:51 AM   #88 (permalink)
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Well, I agree that the discussion in german wasn't neccessary. Other than that I think the provocative statement hit the nail on the head. The group dynamics on the VG boards are really strange and this cult around Brad seems to take weird proportions. I chose a political leader as example to shock the readers a bit, maybe a religious leader would have been a better example.

The fans are waiting for Brad's postings like religious people are waiting for their prophet to spread wisdom. Once he said something they comment it with "See? Brad speaks the truth". I mean what's this? Are they all brainwashed?
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:53 AM   #89 (permalink)
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Deine Aussage ist übertrieben provokant und deine schlussfolgerungen total überzogen. Meine Großeltern haben den 2ten Weltkrieg nicht überlebt weil sie keine "fans" waren.
Das Geschichte von Siegern geschrieben wird ist mir durchaus bewusst.
Deine zeitlichen Einschätzungen sind trotz allem (auch wenn dein argument nach den erkärungen ansatzweise sinn macht) ziemlich daneben und die zeitspanne die du zum vergleich heranziehst extrem unglücklich gewählt.

Einen vergleichbaren Personenkult kann ich nicht wirklich unterschreiben und was deine Großmutter die du als zeitzeuge heranziehst mit den Aussagen von der Bevölkerung zu tun haben soll verstehe ich auch nicht wirklich da sie mit jetzt 78 damals gerade mal 16 Jahre alt war und kaum als representativ gelten kann wenn du meinst damit die generelle Stimmung erwachsener Menschen darstellen zu können. Das jugendliche leicht zu beeindrucken sind ist dir vermutlich bewusst.
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:55 AM   #90 (permalink)
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On the other hand if you claim that the VG boards have a "person cult" you are probably right, but comparing it to Hitler and germany in 1944 just does not fit.

If you do it just to provoke all power to you, but it does not really make the theory more credible.
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