MMOGChart does an E3 roundup - Page 2

Soygen · 05-22-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brekk

Unless the version for xbxo360 has some serious targetting assitance they gonna be screwed versus mouse+keyboard.

Or they can just plug a mouse and keyboard into their xbox360.

Vekruul Shuth · 05-22-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

Or they can just plug a mouse and keyboard into their xbox360.

They allow this on 360? Hell...I may pick one up now.

Hatorade · 05-22-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekruul Shuth

They allow this on 360? Hell...I may pick one up now.

and on the ps2 and xbox...where you been. still PC>all

splok · 05-22-2006, 09:56 PM

As far as i know, you can't get a kb/mouse to work within the 360 games. You can use a kb to type on the menu screens for messages and such, but I think that's all atm. I really with they would offer full kb/mouse support for all games, but I don't think MS wants that. If you're going to be competing with people on pc's, it seems like they really would need to make an exception though.

tanjo · 05-22-2006, 11:06 PM

No they shouldn't. I can't wait to see console users with a controller play against PC users in an FPS.

Chaid · 05-22-2006, 11:18 PM

Hero's Journey has been resurrected? I can't wait to see Simutronics go bankrupt. Their management style with prior games makes SOE look like the poster child for fantastic customer service. Gemstone was a fun game, but damn, taking years for game paralyzing mechanics to be fixed and new content to be added speaks volumes of their 'dedication' to their products.

Oh, and here's the obligatory: Fallout MMO WRU?

Zuuljin · 05-22-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tanjo

No they shouldn't. I can't wait to see console users with a controller play against PC users in an FPS.

I'm pretty sure if they did, the consoles would have a built in handicap that would help to autoaim. Would still probably be a slaughter though.

Samus Aran · 05-22-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuuljin

I'm pretty sure if they did, the consoles would have a built in handicap that would help to autoaim. Would still probably be a slaughter though.

They would need more than autoaim. Granted, I never put the time into Halo that I did Counter-Strike, but the slaughter that would take place if my Counter-Strike self went up against my Halo self would be immense. You just can't aim as well with a controller, autoaim, or no autoaim.

Zippygoose · 05-23-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

Here were his thoughts on DDO last year:

I can honestly say that DDO was easily the most interesting and fun MMOG I saw at E3 this year. Players were allowed to play through their choice of two short adventures, either solo or teamed up with others. The graphics were excellent, a generation beyond those displayed in Asheron’s Call 2. The combat system is quick and action-packed; players click their mouse to attack or block as needed, and execute special attacks via the keyboard as usual. The game promises a heavy use of instancing and will be as faithful to the 3.5 Edition D&D rules as is practical for an online game, with some changes being made for the purposes of playability. While the game’s features are not to everyone’s tastes, I expect this game to be a big hit for the casual MMORPG player, as well as appealing to the many D&D players (both computer and pen & paper) who have yet to find a MMOG to their liking.

I think I'll take the projections with a grain of salt, though TR does look a lot better than it did last year.

After he made an AC2 comparison I stopped reading. Comparing anything to AC2 is like saying "compared to complete and utter shit, this raises the bar!".

PatrickStar · 05-23-2006, 10:06 AM

Wow so many games. Too many actually.

kyo · 05-23-2006, 10:35 AM

I personally think HJ will kick some major ass. Unless the devs are lying through their teeth about what will be in the game. Tabula Rasa looks great too. Age of Conan looks so-so. I'll have to see more of it to know whether or not I'm interested. A BioWare MMORPG? Sign me up! Lost interest in Wiki.. Not that I had much to begin with. Vanguard? What's that?

zilkoril · 05-23-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kyo

Vanguard? What's that?

It is "The Vision".

Vorph · 05-23-2006, 10:56 AM

Dunno why people are criticizing this because of the DDO pick, there really wasn't a whole lot to choose from at E3 2005 in terms of MMOs that were complete enough to get awards. IGN picked DDO too, Gamespot picked Age of Conan and DDO was a runner up, etc. The DDO demo highlighted a part of the game that is actually really well done, it's not like they could see that the game lacked depth and Turbine just plain didn't have enough content for even 10 levels.

The dude definitely makes it clear that he's not the same type of player as most of the people here, so if anything that's the reason to disregard his opinions for the most part. Reading his opinions wasn't a total loss though; I didn't know that there was a MMO in development using CryEngine. The setting of Aion doesn't really interest me at all, but at least it will be cool to see how the current absolute best graphics engine out there handles a MMO.

Designz · 05-23-2006, 11:04 AM

Wiki UI looks like WoW UI, also Vanguard UI, I see a pattern here.

SirBruce · 05-23-2006, 12:14 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to drop in and read the discussion here. Thanks for all the comments, positive and negative.

I wanted to point out (again) that these are just brief previews; you can see far more extensive previews at other gaming news outlets. Outside of my personal preferences as a gamer, my interests are in what products will actually sell in the marketplace, what products will innovate it, what products will appeal to a broader audience, and so on. Given that, issues like graphics and solo play and fun PvE combat and strong IP licenses are very important. You could make a MMOG with the best quests and coolest gameplay ever, but if the graphics are sub-par and requires groups of 4 to have a chance of living through encounters, it's not going to do well. Games like Horizons and Irth Online and WWII Online all have some really great stuff in them, but there are also reasons why they'll never have 100K subscribers.

I mentioned Asheron's Call 2 in relation to DDO because that was Turbine's previous product, not because that was the graphical standard to aspire to. (Although at the time it came out, AC2's graphics were very nice.) As for the modest success of DDO, I owned up to that prediction in this year's report, and I gave reason's why. Turbine blew it in the beta test. Almost anyone else who beta tested the product will tell you that. DDO is not a fundamentally bad game, and could have been saved with some redesign and a six month delay. Turbine chose not to do so, and now they're scrambling to fix things everyone told them was wrong with the product before release. Still, did any better MMOs come out last year? City of Villians, perhaps, but that's really more of a City of Heroes expansion. Are you all playing Auto Assault?

Anyway, if you're playing a game with only 50K subscribers and you're having fun, that's all that matters. My job is to try and predict which games are going to get 50K subscribers and which ones are going to get 500K, not necessarily which is more "fun". I had more fun playing City of Heroes than World of Warcraft, but WoW still blew everything else away in the market.

Bruce

PS - And the subscriber numbers on the rest of the site are still old. I'm working on a new update currently. WoW is up to 6.5 million...

05-22-2006, 11:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
Chaid I'm your huckleberry. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 587 -1 Internets	Hero's Journey has been resurrected? I can't wait to see Simutronics go bankrupt. Their management style with prior games makes SOE look like the poster child for fantastic customer service. Gemstone was a fun game, but damn, taking years for game paralyzing mechanics to be fixed and new content to be added speaks volumes of their 'dedication' to their products. Oh, and here's the obligatory: Fallout MMO WRU? Last edited by Chaid : 05-22-2006 at 11:22 PM.

05-23-2006, 10:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
PatrickStar Spongebob is my bitch Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 715 -1 Internets	Wow so many games. Too many actually. __________________ Activate interlock! Dynotherms connected! Infracells up! Mega thrusters are go! LET'S GO VOLTRON FORCE!

05-23-2006, 10:56 AM	#28 (permalink)
Vorph -666 Internets Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 4,976	Dunno why people are criticizing this because of the DDO pick, there really wasn't a whole lot to choose from at E3 2005 in terms of MMOs that were complete enough to get awards. IGN picked DDO too, Gamespot picked Age of Conan and DDO was a runner up, etc. The DDO demo highlighted a part of the game that is actually really well done, it's not like they could see that the game lacked depth and Turbine just plain didn't have enough content for even 10 levels. The dude definitely makes it clear that he's not the same type of player as most of the people here, so if anything that's the reason to disregard his opinions for the most part. Reading his opinions wasn't a total loss though; I didn't know that there was a MMO in development using CryEngine. The setting of Aion doesn't really interest me at all, but at least it will be cool to see how the current absolute best graphics engine out there handles a MMO. __________________

05-23-2006, 11:04 AM	#29 (permalink)
Designz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 347 +0 Internets	Wiki UI looks like WoW UI, also Vanguard UI, I see a pattern here. __________________ Kolle: "Doesn't really make a difference if science says when a person is a person since we don't have the technology to prove that a spirit even exists and when it happens to enter the body."

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05-22-2006, 09:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
splok Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guildhall Posts: 394 +1 Internets	As far as i know, you can't get a kb/mouse to work within the 360 games. You can use a kb to type on the menu screens for messages and such, but I think that's all atm. I really with they would offer full kb/mouse support for all games, but I don't think MS wants that. If you're going to be competing with people on pc's, it seems like they really would need to make an exception though.

05-22-2006, 11:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
tanjo like a dum whore cripple Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St. Louis Posts: 612 +1 Internets	No they shouldn't. I can't wait to see console users with a controller play against PC users in an FPS.

05-23-2006, 10:35 AM	#26 (permalink)
kyo Cinnabuns Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: house Posts: 113 +0 Internets	I personally think HJ will kick some major ass. Unless the devs are lying through their teeth about what will be in the game. Tabula Rasa looks great too. Age of Conan looks so-so. I'll have to see more of it to know whether or not I'm interested. A BioWare MMORPG? Sign me up! Lost interest in Wiki.. Not that I had much to begin with. Vanguard? What's that?

05-23-2006, 12:14 PM	#30 (permalink)
SirBruce Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 42 +0 Internets	Hey guys, just wanted to drop in and read the discussion here. Thanks for all the comments, positive and negative. I wanted to point out (again) that these are just brief previews; you can see far more extensive previews at other gaming news outlets. Outside of my personal preferences as a gamer, my interests are in what products will actually sell in the marketplace, what products will innovate it, what products will appeal to a broader audience, and so on. Given that, issues like graphics and solo play and fun PvE combat and strong IP licenses are very important. You could make a MMOG with the best quests and coolest gameplay ever, but if the graphics are sub-par and requires groups of 4 to have a chance of living through encounters, it's not going to do well. Games like Horizons and Irth Online and WWII Online all have some really great stuff in them, but there are also reasons why they'll never have 100K subscribers. I mentioned Asheron's Call 2 in relation to DDO because that was Turbine's previous product, not because that was the graphical standard to aspire to. (Although at the time it came out, AC2's graphics were very nice.) As for the modest success of DDO, I owned up to that prediction in this year's report, and I gave reason's why. Turbine blew it in the beta test. Almost anyone else who beta tested the product will tell you that. DDO is not a fundamentally bad game, and could have been saved with some redesign and a six month delay. Turbine chose not to do so, and now they're scrambling to fix things everyone told them was wrong with the product before release. Still, did any better MMOs come out last year? City of Villians, perhaps, but that's really more of a City of Heroes expansion. Are you all playing Auto Assault? Anyway, if you're playing a game with only 50K subscribers and you're having fun, that's all that matters. My job is to try and predict which games are going to get 50K subscribers and which ones are going to get 500K, not necessarily which is more "fun". I had more fun playing City of Heroes than World of Warcraft, but WoW still blew everything else away in the market. Bruce PS - And the subscriber numbers on the rest of the site are still old. I'm working on a new update currently. WoW is up to 6.5 million...