Have you ever bought in-game currency from the MMO secondary market?

[Dis]

Originally Posted by nyx

No let me make it very simple for you.

If companies turned a blind eye to buying and selling of in game currency, you would have L2. People arguing that its a-ok because they make a buck in RL and they don't have the time to invest, should realize that there is an overall cost to the game, the community, and the industry in general.

If SoE and Blizzard decided to one day, say fuck it, and allow anyone to buy and sell currency, you would see the bot trains you see in L2, you would see the robots by the dozens taking over areas and taking over spawns. There would be /who hunter 60 x 10000 in Dire Maul, and the value of anything you sold on the player market would be inflated beyond any reasonable proportion. You would be in essence, forced to buy from the secondary market to keep up.

How the fuck is that a good idea? No, you and your selfish compadres can only see the benefit to yourself, and that is where your logic fails, and fails badly.

They do allow it you dumbshit. FFS where the hell have you been?

[Jaytee Bushwacker]

What pisses me off is people like you think that BECAUSE you only have a limited play time, you have the right to forgo the only cost associated with the game.

The only cost I associate with the game is the monthly fee. If it costs me more than that I am not going to play. I don't play to entertain others, I play to entertain me. WoW is going to be surplanted in a few years just like EQ was just like Ultima was before that and on and on. People are saying in essence: I play to get my jollies off and I really don't care about the "integrity" of something thats going to be pointless in a couple years."

What's the point of 3 sets of epics if you didn't shed blood, sweat, and tears for them? What's the glory in achieving a goal if all you had to do was show up and hit 1 every 2.5 seconds. Farming gold might not be a mentally challenging or difficult task but it makes the fun parts far more enjoyable. Do you get pissed off that you have to do stupid shit you don't want to at work? Hey, why not quit and rob a bank? Far less effort.

The difference is at work they pay me to do the stupid pointless shit. I am not going to turn around and pay someone money I have budgeted as entertainment $$ to then be told by the person I'm paying "Do this stupid boring pointless stuff before you actually have fun"

[Weritech]

Originally Posted by nyx

No let me make it very simple for you.

If companies turned a blind eye to buying and selling of in game currency, you would have L2. People arguing that its a-ok because they make a buck in RL and they don't have the time to invest, should realize that there is an overall cost to the game, the community, and the industry in general.

If SoE and Blizzard decided to one day, say fuck it, and allow anyone to buy and sell currency, you would see the bot trains you see in L2, you would see the robots by the dozens taking over areas and taking over spawns. There would be /who hunter 60 x 10000 in Dire Maul, and the value of anything you sold on the player market would be inflated beyond any reasonable proportion. You would be in essence, forced to buy from the secondary market to keep up.

How the fuck is that a good idea? No, you and your selfish compadres can only see the benefit to yourself, and that is where your logic fails, and fails badly.

As I said before...

I don't give a shit. Whether the game turns to crap, everything costs a virtual arm and a leg or the entire virtual world is run by bots, I don't care. I'd just stop playing the game and do something else. I will have had my fun.

I don't even want to play a game for years or even several months a time. I don't care if it's healthy for that long. There are plenty of other games now and there will be plenty more in the future.

All of this shit is temporary and virtual. These games are created for no reason than other than to entertain in exchange for money.

Just like WoW removed heaping handfuls of the shit that stunk up EQ. The next signifigant game will refine itself, cast off some annoying, worthless time-wasting, fun-impeding contrivance then live and die the same way.

I find it hilarious that you treat all this temporary, virtual, entertainment for the well-off with such seriousness. As if there's some crime against humanity being committed here?

[Goanad]

Hey Makunta, I have a proposal. I'll forgo the secondary market if you'll get your sorry ass out of school\your mom's basement and get a job and LIMIT your gaming time to what mine is everyday, ie, about 4 hours.

THEN it will be an even competitive playing field. Otherwise, there will be cunts like you who act like IRL factors that allow you to play games so much each day are somehow morally superior to the working fuck like me who buys a few quid to keep my spells current in EQ2.

Maybe at judgement day we're both fucked. I could care less to be honest. But all this crap about you being a "purist" and "earning" it and me "Cheating" is naseating. You have your IRL advantage, I have mine. Both come to bare on MMO's that we occupying. Neither one of us pumps brown stuff out of our keister that doesn't smell somehow. k? edit: spelling

[Metranon]

no and I never will

[nyx]

Originally Posted by Weritech

As I said before...

I don't give a shit. Whether the game turns to crap, everything costs a virtual arm and a leg or the entire virtual world is run by bots, I don't care. I'd just stop playing the game and do something else. I will have had my fun.

I don't even want to play a game for years or even several months a time. I don't care if it's healthy for that long. There are plenty of other games now and there will be plenty more in the future.

All of this shit is temporary and virtual. These games are created for no reason than other than to entertain in exchange for money.

Just like WoW removed heaping handfuls of the shit that stunk up EQ. The next signifigant game will refine itself, cast off some annoying, worthless time-wasting, fun-impeding contrivance then live and die the same way.

I find it hilarious that you treat all this temporary, virtual, entertainment for the well-off with such seriousness. As if there's some crime against humanity being committed here?

Yay, you know how to use the bold function.

And I think your post speaks for itself. I feel less gratification if I cheat to win, but apparently you do not.

[GiR]

Originally Posted by Goanad

You have your IRL advantage, I have mine. Both come to bare on MMO's that we occupying.

Time or money. It's the same shit either way.

[Gallenite]

Originally Posted by zdonovan

THEY DO ALLOW YOU IT!

Blizzard and SOE DO NOT ban gold buyers. Only sellers.

The reason? $$?

You and you're friends Makata and whoever else are the only ones left concerned with protecting the integrity of the game. Everyone else is laughing at you (SOE+Blizz included).

For EQ2, unless it's a purchase on an Exchange server via the Exchange service, we do remove it from buyers as the rest of the chain from farmer/botter->mule->seller gets banned.

"The integrity of the game" can manifest itself in lots of different ways.

To a gaming purist, it has one meaning.

To others, it can just mean, "I'm not going to support those idiots training the dungeons and trying to swipe nameds from others, so they can fill the coffers of (insert site name here)." That's exactly where the majority of the external coin comes from.

To each their own.

[Samus Aran]

Originally Posted by Gallenite

For EQ2, unless it's a purchase on an Exchange server via the Exchange service, we do remove it from buyers as the rest of the chain from farmer/botter->mule->seller gets banned.

"The integrity of the game" can manifest itself in lots of different ways.

To a gaming purist, it has one meaning.

To others, it can just mean, "I'm not going to support those idiots training the dungeons and trying to swipe nameds from others, so they can fill the coffers of (insert site name here)." That's exactly where the majority of the external coin comes from.

To each their own.

I can only speak from my experience working in the industry. Thousands of EQ2 orders and we never had a complaint about currency dissapearing before after a sale. Maybe it's just luck, maybe you're bullshitting, either way I don't hold it against you, as it's pretty well documented what all of the company's listed "official" stances are.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Dis

Let durability be a factor during PvP, O LORD would you change your tune so fast. The rest of your BS is too stupid to comment on.

You ignorant fucking cuntswab. I put in 3x the time you do in your fucking raids grinding out honor at least. You think I like running the exact same game every time? I like the overall concept of pvp and when we're absolutely raping face it's fun, but the grind is boring as all hell but I have to do it to get the honor to get the rank. Don't for a fucking second think I have any pity that you have to farm gold to pay for repairs.

Originally Posted by Jaytee Bushwacker

The difference is at work they pay me to do the stupid pointless shit.

And you're paid in game, too. What you think those epics your'e sporting are? Money .. epics .. they're the same thing. The goal at the end of the race you want.

Originally Posted by Goanad

Hey Makunta, I have a proposal. I'll forgo the secondary market if you'll get your sorry ass out of school\your mom's basement and get a job and LIMIT your gaming time to what mine is everyday, ie, about 4 hours.

THEN it will be an even competitive playing field. Otherwise, there will be cunts like you who act like IRL factors that allow you to play games so much each day are somehow morally superior to the working fuck like me who buys a few quid to keep my spells current in EQ2.

If I only had 4 hours a day to play, I wouldn't expect to ever see MC, BWL, AQ20/40, ZG or anyplace else. Neither should you. Except .. you do.

Look .. if Blizzard had intended for you to get those spells trivially, don't you think they'd have not made them cost anything? Would repairs be in the game? Would content be focused around titans, etc? The fact you pay a subsciption fee doesn't mean you should get whatever you want, when you want, without having to put up with any crap. If that were the case, I'd have had my mom write my school a check for 4 years tuition and they could just hand me a diploma and save us both alot of time.

Your subscription fee supports the servers, testers, developers, GMs, etc. It goes to help start future content. It isn't them charging you for epics. It is you paying for the ability to play the game. At that point, you now pay to raid. Those of you in your tier 2 crap .. you've got far better gear than me, and it seems only logical you have to pay a bigger price either in time, gold, or both because of it. Don't tell me you raid for anything besides the e-peen in some form because you'd be lying. If your character didn't have any stats whatsoever, just 1 number, and each upgrade you get had a higher number .. no one would play this game. You play it because you like the big hp, the huge crits, the massive dodge, major AP .. etc. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't need to put any loot in the game and just make all boss fights equally hard, just different.

You want those big fancy numbers at no price. That's the problem. I'd honestly pay 1kg (which I didn't have to buy to obtain!!) to ban every last one of you who bought gold. You'd piss and whine then move on, then the only people who'd be left are the ones who actually earned their stuff instead of having Xiaoxiao give it to them in exchange for rice for a week.

[Samus Aran]

Originally Posted by zdonovan

I can only speak from my experience working in the industry. Thousands of EQ2 orders and we never had a complaint about currency dissapearing before after a sale. Maybe it's just luck, maybe you're bullshitting, either way I don't hold it against you, as it's pretty well documented what all of the company's listed "official" stances are.

I had plat taken from my account and was suspended for a week for illegal gold buying. Of course, I was buying in bulk from a third party site and reselling it at a profit, so I imagine I was more visible on the radar than some guy who buys 50 plat in a month.

But, it does happen.

[l0z]

Originally Posted by Makata

And you're paid in game, too. What you think those epics your'e sporting are? Money .. epics .. they're the same thing. The goal at the end of the race you want.

It's interesting that you call money and epics the same thing. Perhaps you really ARE on the side of RMT, and you just don't know it yet?

[Samus Aran]

Originally Posted by grandbean

I had plat taken from my account and was suspended for a week for illegal gold buying. Of course, I was buying in bulk from a third party site and reselling it at a profit, so I imagine I was more visible on the radar than some guy who buys 50 plat in a month.

But, it does happen.

nt

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Makata

You ignorant fucking cuntswab. I put in 3x the time you do in your fucking raids grinding out honor at least. You think I like running the exact same game every time? I like the overall concept of pvp and when we're absolutely raping face it's fun, but the grind is boring as all hell but I have to do it to get the honor to get the rank. Don't for a fucking second think I have any pity that you have to farm gold to pay for repairs.

And you're paid in game, too. What you think those epics your'e sporting are? Money .. epics .. they're the same thing. The goal at the end of the race you want.

If I only had 4 hours a day to play, I wouldn't expect to ever see MC, BWL, AQ20/40, ZG or anyplace else. Neither should you. Except .. you do.

Look .. if Blizzard had intended for you to get those spells trivially, don't you think they'd have not made them cost anything? Would repairs be in the game? Would content be focused around titans, etc? The fact you pay a subsciption fee doesn't mean you should get whatever you want, when you want, without having to put up with any crap. If that were the case, I'd have had my mom write my school a check for 4 years tuition and they could just hand me a diploma and save us both alot of time.

Your subscription fee supports the servers, testers, developers, GMs, etc. It goes to help start future content. It isn't them charging you for epics. It is you paying for the ability to play the game. At that point, you now pay to raid. Those of you in your tier 2 crap .. you've got far better gear than me, and it seems only logical you have to pay a bigger price either in time, gold, or both because of it. Don't tell me you raid for anything besides the e-peen in some form because you'd be lying. If your character didn't have any stats whatsoever, just 1 number, and each upgrade you get had a higher number .. no one would play this game. You play it because you like the big hp, the huge crits, the massive dodge, major AP .. etc. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't need to put any loot in the game and just make all boss fights equally hard, just different.

You want those big fancy numbers at no price. That's the problem. I'd honestly pay 1kg (which I didn't have to buy to obtain!!) to ban every last one of you who bought gold. You'd piss and whine then move on, then the only people who'd be left are the ones who actually earned their stuff instead of having Xiaoxiao give it to them in exchange for rice for a week.

Gimme a fucking break, with your thought process no wonder you cant move out of mommy's basement. BTW just so I can rub it in, I make a lot of money, I have a hot wife, I live in a house that I pay for, AND I am decked out in T2 gear because I pretty much only raid which is about 20 - 25 hours of my life. Fact is I havent bought gold yet, another fact is that I have/am considering it, if I do buy gold there is nothing you can do about it (or Blizzard for that matter as they have shown) and last fact is yeah, I may be a cuntswab, but I am better than you (I have no idea what is lower than a cuntswab, you figure it out).

The above is a long way of saying "neener neener".

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by nyx

You, or some asshole in this thread asked how supporting the purchase of in game currency could possibly effect anyone, and I cite a specific and very detrimental way, and you ask me to stop posting because it is a different game? Well isn't that lovely logic.... I point out how rampant farmers have already ruined another game, and because it doesn't effect you directly, it doesn't count. You win the dumbass award. Thanks for playing.

How the fuck is "log into L2" specific? We are talking about buying gold from wow how is it hurting the game? Not all the farmers are using exploits. And unless it is a dupe the money/items they sell are still coming into the game naturally.

Your real life advantage is time, for others it is money. So until then I still haven't seen one specific example of them hurting the game(WoW). Mana pots are still as expensive as ever on my server.